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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:52 pm 
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There is red/brown dust where the steering arm attaches to the hub. Does this mean there is movement where there shouldn't be movement?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:26 pm 
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I have the same on one of my minis. I suspect movement also and will investigate when I have time.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:55 pm 
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Suspect worn holes in the swivel hub or arm. If they are worn oval, tightening the bolts won't help, even with new dowels. I had to change a swivel hub once due to this.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:23 pm 
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Are the dowels missing?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:28 pm 
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drmini in aust wrote:
Suspect worn holes in the swivel hub or arm. If they are worn oval, tightening the bolts won't help, even with new dowels. I had to change a swivel hub once due to this.


I was expecting something like that. Will be dismantling it soon.
At least all the bits are still available.
How tight a fit should the dowels be in the hub and in the arm?
If the arm needs replacing, should the other side's arm also be replaced too?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:40 pm 
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cooperess wrote:
Are the dowels missing?


I doubt it. I'm about to strip it down.
It's a 1970 S I've owned since 1975 and other than replacing wheel bearings the hub is original. The L.H. CV is original but not serviceable now; the wheel bearings need replacing and the hub might be worn where the cups sit. Probably due for a refresh.
Oddly, the R.H. parts all good to go again.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:48 pm 
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Bill B wrote:
drmini in aust wrote:
Suspect worn holes in the swivel hub or arm. If they are worn oval, tightening the bolts won't help, even with new dowels. I had to change a swivel hub once due to this.


I was expecting something like that. Will be dismantling it soon.
At least all the bits are still available.
How tight a fit should the dowels be in the hub and in the arm?
If the arm needs replacing, should the other side's arm also be replaced too?

Dowels are a neat fit, size for size.
Loosen the bolts slightly on the other arm, if you can move it sideways it has a problem too.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:48 pm 
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Maybe the dowels rusted out!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:48 pm 
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The hub and steering arm are now dismantled. There is a rust issue.
Soaking the parts in phosphoric acid to remove the rust and see what is happening.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:42 pm 
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Dowell looks like it has some wear


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:37 pm 
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You need round dowels, round holes and a good fit.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:50 pm 
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Was thinking about using bearing retainer on assembling the new dowels. Are there any obvious problems that would create here?

Have sourced a good used steering arm and the hub holes are still a tight fit. The rear bolt was under a lot less tension than the other 3 bolts when dismantling them.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:12 pm 
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You can try Loctite 609 or similar bearing retainer. I used it successfully to retain a Timken front hub bearing so it should work. If you have trouble dismantling it later use a hot air gun.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:14 pm 
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Thanks for that, Dr M.


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