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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:27 pm 
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Hi Scott
I think ken has valves for both heads if not mini spares have them
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Looks fantastic.

Graham, how would this head go on my 1293 in the sunshine? would the bottom end need any work or could it be a bolt on?

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Now I wasn’t going to say to much about this yet because its still in development stages
But I have designed and developed a new camshaft for the minis and you being a man of the world will under stand how good this cam is.
Duration 260 deg valve timing of 20 60
Lift .270 on lobe
So it’s a very small cam its 6 deg smaller than a kent 266 and .004 tho more lift and 2 deg
More duration than the sw5 but has .020 tho less lift but out performs all of these cams by far nothing will come any where near it in its class and will out perform other cams that are much bigger, the dyno engine I built is 1380cc 12g940 road head single 13/4
Hif SU on a mini spares inlet manifold ,maniflow long centre branch extractors
The power figures were
Torque HP
3000 98ftlb 56
3500 102ftlb 68
4000 105ftlb 80
4500 104 89
5000 105 100
5500 103 108
6000 100 114
6500 96 119
7000 79 105
Now as soon as I put a long manifold on with a weber it went 112ftlb torque and 125 hp
This is more than I see out of some race engines.this cam is rather radical design and im still doing more testing on it.
Now if we were to put this cam with the elder head how drivable would that be,note that this motor is making its power by 6500 rpm 500 rpm than a std cooper S


any good for motorkhanas Graham?

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so, roughly $3600 Plus a cam to suit it ($$$???Maybe $150-$200) ,,,, plus 2x webers/linkages & filters (Maybe another $800-ish +) ,,, cool,,, about $4500-ish all up,,,, Plus rebuild the engine to make sure it`s all good to cope with the grunt,

dam good value really... concidering the "potential" end-resultant power & drivabilty

KAD heads & Jack Knight heads cost how much $10,000 & $13,000 respectively???

I know you`re doin good things GR,,, to compare to your test mule 1380, 5 port with 125hp at the engine,,, then,,, we can expect to get a solid 125hp-ish at the wheels with the 7 port on a similar set up, while at the same time maintaining a nice smooth drivable road mini , on pump fuel , with lots of pull from down low & all the way through yeah??? this is exactly why (as i said in my previous post) i like to use very big engines with mild cams to achieve similar results (not that your test mule1380 is small of course) & not that my 1510cc roady had anywhere near 125 at the wheels , far from it :-)

I`d like to send you one of my old 5 port heads to test & see what you think & maybe (if you have the time) to improve upon it,,, It`s been through the wars & it`s probably on it`s last legs (thickness wise) & i`ve stuffed with it a bit "Playing" with different ideas along the way, but i really would like to set it up & use it again... But It would be good to see what you think of it.

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lil-ute wrote:
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Gday GR,

if you dont mind, approx how much $ are we talking for one of these
and why will it be better than the 16v heads available?
(including bmw motorbike head?)

thanks :)

if you need to ask you cant afford it and it would be no good on a clubbie


I thought lil-ute used to be a clubbie van? Im serious I read that somewhere I am sure.

If so that is a bit "pot calling the kettle black isnt it.


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Gday GR,

if you dont mind, approx how much $ are we talking for one of these
and why will it be better than the 16v heads available?
(including bmw motorbike head?)

thanks :)

if you need to ask you cant afford it and it would be no good on a clubbie


who's the troll now?

and anyway, it's turned out to be quite affordable!!

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Hi chris/ simon
Yes and yes but it will need good springs to follow the profile as this profile is totally different to any thing ever made before for a mini and with more development it can only get better
Graham Russell


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GR wrote:
Torque HP
3000 98ftlb 56
3500 102ftlb 68
4000 105ftlb 80
4500 104 89
5000 105 100
5500 103 108
6000 100 114
6500 96 119
7000 79 105

That is one very impressive torque curve Graham!
A car equipped with one of those would be a delight to drive. :D

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Hi Rod
Thanks and that was with 1.3 rockers,i designed the cam to work with std rockers, and so far its working out really well
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Hi Matt
If you bring your head down to morgan park at the end of the month ill be there with my Nc mini for the all mini race and we can have a look at it.
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GR wrote:
Hi Matt
First of all lets get the price of this head out of the way $3000.00 +gst complete head
Manifold $250.oo +gst takes 2 webers.
Now lets talk about road engines the figures I quoted for the elder head were every day drivers as I will endever to prove to you all.
Now I wasn’t going to say to much about this yet because its still in development stages
But I have designed and developed a new camshaft for the minis and you being a man of the world will under stand how good this cam is.
Duration 260 deg valve timing of 20 60
Lift .270 on lobe
So it’s a very small cam its 6 deg smaller than a kent 266 and .004 tho more lift and 2 deg
More duration than the sw5 but has .020 tho less lift but out performs all of these cams by far nothing will come any where near it in its class and will out perform other cams that are much bigger, the dyno engine I built is 1380cc 12g940 road head single 13/4
Hif SU on a mini spares inlet manifold ,maniflow long centre branch extractors
The power figures were
Torque HP
3000 98ftlb 56
3500 102ftlb 68
4000 105ftlb 80
4500 104 89
5000 105 100
5500 103 108
6000 100 114
6500 96 119
7000 79 105
Now as soon as I put a long manifold on with a weber it went 112ftlb torque and 125 hp
This is more than I see out of some race engines.this cam is rather radical design and im still doing more testing on it.
Now if we were to put this cam with the elder head how drivable would that be,note that this motor is making its power by 6500 rpm 500 rpm than a std cooper S


Gr, i can see the reasoning behind the cam design,, the sw5 was heading in that direction,,, it`s basically similar valve timings as a std-ish 1100"S" (1275) but with a little more duration & a little more lift,,, obviously not too much more lift to need stoopid strong springs or cause drama with chewing lobes & followers,,, it`s pretty close to the Waggot 509 grind actually, just with a little less timing/duration.

The valve lift acceleration rate is kept high enough to make for decent flow & fairly good chamber fill early in the revs,,, & yes obviously it`s not a stoopid big lumpy cam for high massive revs ,,, just a lovely & smooth & drivable broad spread... & i`m glad you mentioned it`s comparison to other cams "In it`s Class"

Something like that in my 1510cc engine with one of those 7 port heads would just be the bees knees for all round road & race use :-) I could drive to the track in my road registered mini, running pump fuel , keeping revs down & have a good chance of keeping up with some of the front runners in Improved production class :-) maybe hang around 5th place ,,, now that would be good to do... The front runners are a particulary quick (Rotorys & turbo escorts etc) & i`ve been concidering building my green "S" into an improved production car with a turbo injected bimmer donk,,, this way i can swap out the donk for an N/A 5-port & run in the Group N Category as well

That`s Something Billy Westerman, Greg Burrow & Freddy Sayers have been at me for years to do

It`s a pity they won`t let me run the 7 port in group N :-(

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Hi Matt

Here are some photos of SW5 on the left and mine on the right the differance in duration from .100tho through to .300 tho lift at the valve is massive combind with the small seat duration makes this cam streets ahead in performance compared to all the others

Graham Russell

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Gday GR,

if you dont mind, approx how much $ are we talking for one of these
and why will it be better than the 16v heads available?
(including bmw motorbike head?)

thanks :)

if you need to ask you cant afford it and it would be no good on a clubbie


I thought lil-ute used to be a clubbie van? Im serious I read that somewhere I am sure.

If so that is a bit "pot calling the kettle black isnt it.

you had to ruin my fun didnt you :lol:

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