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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:39 pm 
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So is Doug's factory drawing of the more usual door seal with integral pinch weld?


I think so, thats what it is shaped like, it's on one of my doors. Did they introduce the integral pinch weld on the Leyland Minis?


Can't answer that one, but I would like to get a few meters as well. If you need to order a bigger amount, I'd be happy to go halves. Maybe not 25 meters though!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:46 pm 
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I could use a few metres, an 1100 plus a Cooper S will chew a bit.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:41 pm 
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The original parts book shows the seal as part 24A1351. This is what it's known by at the usual big Mini suppliers. It's one part that comprises the silver pinch-weld and the black rubber section like the roll in Morris 1100's picture. I understand you couldn't buy these components separately from BMC - you got both bits.

It then became Australian part, HYA2782, which was manufactured locally and came in various colours of pinch-weld (I have a part number list if anyone wants to know what colours). I don't have access to a drawing for HYA2782.

HYA2782 was superseded by HYE111, which came in silver and black only (Leyland being frugal :wink: ). I'm told the change may have been because the original Australian supplier no longer made/supplied HYA2782 and a suitable direct replacement was the profile in the above drawing, which will fit any wind-up door Mini.

So to maintain originality the only option seems to be to source the rubber and/or pinch-weld from specialist suppliers. Of course it's not just the profile that's important. Characteristics of the rubber (durability, squeeze pressure, holding shape, etc.) is vital.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:25 pm 
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Mick wrote:
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So is Doug's factory drawing of the more usual door seal with integral pinch weld?


I think so, thats what it is shaped like, it's on one of my doors. Did they introduce the integral pinch weld on the Leyland Minis?


Can't answer that one, but I would like to get a few meters as well. If you need to order a bigger amount, I'd be happy to go halves. Maybe not 25 meters though!

I'll chuck in some cash too if you need to buy a roll. I have a Mini K resto in progress. The grey pinch weld should clean up ok, but the rubber is well worn and split.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:15 pm 
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I remember several yrs ago I rang Scotts auto rubber and asked for a couple of samples.

He could supply me with one of the profiles but couldn't the other. He sold one by the meter and the other by the 50m roll (which from memory is the one in question).

Never ended up sending the prepaid envelope to him to get some.

Lets hope they are both by the meter now

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Yes put me down for a few meters if available :D

I'd love that nos stuff. Lol

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I found a drawing for HYA 2782 that was used in the wind-up window round-nose and at least early Clubman bodies, as well as Morris 1100. It shows the profiles. Will need some time to post it though.

Another thread about sealing a boot lid led to Clarke Rubber's website. They have a few profiles.

http://www.clarkrubber.com.au/rubber-an ... ons-3.html

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I found a drawing for HYA 2782 that was used in the wind-up window round-nose and at least early Clubman bodies, as well as Morris 1100. It shows the profiles. Will need some time to post it though.

Another thread about sealing a boot lid led to Clarke Rubber's website. They have a few profiles.

http://www.clarkrubber.com.au/rubber-an ... ons-3.html

I went to Clarke rubber today... Must admit it's the first time I've ever been in the store. They have heaps of pinch weld profiles, all black though. I'm sure you'll find the suitable door seal's there.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:18 pm 
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Ok I had a reply back from Scotts

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As it says it is available only in a full coil, supplier does not have any but can be had, approx. 1 month, cost $10.09/metre x 50 + freight.


I've also realised that Spectrum Rubber (provided by Morris 1100 earlier, Thanks Morris) is likely the supplier, so I might see what their price is.

It looks like we would need to buy a full coil. I think a Mini requires about 6.5 metres to do both sides so a 50 metre roll would do approx. 7 cars.

Only problem is would need to be sure this is suitable. To me it looks like 260.114 should work. See page 16 of Spectrum Rubbers Catalogue.

http://www.spectrumrubber.com.au/images/stories/Spectrum_Rubber_Catalogue.pdf

Has anyone ever tried this rubber profile? 260.148 is another possibility.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:03 pm 
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I've found a drawing for HYA2782, the door seal that was used on the Mini, and other vehicles, as you'll see below. Rather than just post it I thought this would be an opportunity to provide a bit of a history lesson on the way BMC designed, documented and numbered their parts for those unfamiliar. If you prefer to just drive your Mini and are not fussed about boring details of parts manufacture then feel free to bypass this post. I won't be upset. :)

Lots of BMC parts were used on more than one model. Generators, alternators, coils, distributors and wiper blades in Minis, Mokes, Morris 1100's and Austin 1800's spring to mind. These parts retained the same part number regardless of the vehicle they were fitted to. There was a single engineering drawing for that part that showed the vehicle the part was first used on but subsequent uses were normally omitted from the drawing.

Some parts used the same material but were of different sizes or lengths to suit different models. Rubber hose, flexible heater ducts and door seals are examples. In the case of our beloved Mini, the same profile door seal (but of a different length) was used on the Morris 1100, MGB and a couple of trucks. These were given a unique part number for the different applications. Rather than having a separate engineering drawing for each of these parts where the only difference was the length and use, a common drawing was produced that included a table showing the list of vehicle applications for that part. The door seal is in that category.

Are you still with me? Haven't fallen asleep yet. :)

Below is drawing HYA1825 - Chart, Door Sealing Strip. Things to note are:

  • The table showing usage as HYA1826/7 (Morris 1100), HYA2637 (MGB), HYA2782 (YDO5 - Mini) and two HYK numbers for BMC trucks WF & FJ CAB.
  • The Revisions section shows our HYA2782 Mini seal being added on 20/3/1964, and the seal length being increased from 127 inches to 128.5 inches on 14/10/1965.
  • Material used shows a reference to drawing MYH5001.
  • The product colour and testing notes.
  • The inclusion of holes along the rubber tube 30 degrees from the vertical at 12 inch pitch (increased from 24 inch pitch on 25/9/1963). Presumably the holes are to allow the exit of air when the tube is squeezed. I've noticed these holes on my car's seals.

Further below is drawing MYH5001 (2 sheets).

Sheet 1 shows both components of the assembled part in cross-section - the pinch-weld and the rubber seal. It's a poor quality drawing and a little hard to read, but it has the material specification and gives a separate part number for the pinchweld (MYH5173) and the rubber seal (MYH5174) that together make up the actual door seal. P.S. Note the rogue circlip present during archival photographing of the drawing.

Sheet 2 shows the precise cross-section dimensions of MYH5173/4 and the allowable tolerance zone for manufacturing. The grids are tenths of an inch so the diameter of the rubber seal we are looking for is 0.6 of an inch, or about 15 mm.

I hope all that waffle was of interest to some and will help source the most appropriate replacement rubber seal, and pinch-weld. At least it's now part of the Ausmini knowledge resource that others can refer to in the future.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:34 pm 
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Thankyou Doug that is excellent and will be of great help.

The only sample the supplier has is stuck to their sample board. I'm hoping to get a short NOS sample of the original mould and take it to their office and directly compare and measure.

The engineering drawing will be extremely useful for the dimensions so a massive thankyou to Doug. Comparing this drawing now to the profile in the Spectrum catalogue I'm even more confidant this is the right stuff as it looks identical.

The price is $10.09 a metre plus postage. The minimum order is 50 meters and that should do roughly 7 minis. I think you need approx. 6.5m per car but perhaps someone can confirm that.

Please post your commitment if you are genuinely interested in being part of a group buy for this rubber and how many meters you are willing to purchase.

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phillb wrote:
I think you need approx. 6.5m per car but perhaps someone can confirm that.

The HYA1825 drawing specifies 128.5 inches per seal. Google tells me this is 3.2639 metres, so maybe 6.6 metres per car.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:11 pm 
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G'day Phill. Peg me in for enough for one car.

Doug, your bloods worth bottling. ;)


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I think I will just see if it is right. As I will need 3 cars (nearly 1/2 roll) and my bro will need some too.

So think I would be better off buying a roll for myself :)

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If the sample matches up put me down for 2 cars please.

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