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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:57 pm 
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Does anyone happen to know if the Aussie MKII Cooper s Hydrolastic subframes had the MOWOG stencilled branding over the black paint? Are there any references to original finish and decals or stencils that anyone is aware of? This isn't my subframe but an example of what I am referring to. Many thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:30 pm 
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This is how I did mine. It was hard for me to actually pin down weather or not they were originally done. I have some pics of the originals that I worked from. Some said yes, others said no. Either way it looks good but can't be seen anyway. I know its there.
I have both the stencil and the stamps for the star and the backplate numbers.

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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:13 pm 
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I looked closely but couldn't find any stencil marks in either front or back of my late 1970 MK II S. Anecdotal evidence from others with a similar age car puts me in the non-stencil camp for at least the MK II.

According to the parts book the UK sourced rear subframe was used up to at least the last of the round-nose models - part 21A1655. Initially this subframe was used in all the hydro sedans but at some stage a different subrame is specified for DeLuxe (part 21A1588, as in iansmini photo above) and Cooper S (part 21A1979).

The front however was a locally modified version of the UK subframe so was given an Australian part number. In fact several part numbers so there must be some differences between models.

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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:53 pm 
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sounds like it would be best to err on the side of not stencilling a part number as there appears to be no clear part number for my car. if it wasn't for the surface rust I would know. Thanks for the comments Ian.


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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
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Tim, this is the orginal stencilling and star on my rear subframe. MK2 1970 S.


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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:47 pm 
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That’s awesome thank you! Is the star red?


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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
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The star is a dark red as far as I can tell.

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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:40 pm 
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I found these pics from when I restored my 69 Mk2 S - no MOWOG on the opposite side to the part number - BTW your brake backing plates look very nice!
regards Gavin


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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:48 pm 
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Nice job Gavin


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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
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Thanks for sharing Gavin. Do you know the significance of the blue versus the red star?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:21 am 
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Similar to above, 69 Mk2


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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:16 pm 
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thanks Firefirey, seems such a long time ago now! (2006) and only travelled 3000 miles since - now at 75,000.

TimW - sorry mate, I enjoyed the restoration and did my best to keep it as original as possible, but the colour significance of the star I don't know. I would think that subframes would have been assembled offline at a sub-assembly station, maybe the star colour difference signified different shifts or plant locations, maybe even suppliers if the subframe welding was done off site?
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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:41 pm 
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Thanks Gavin
Love to see the quality of your work. So good to be a part of a community who care about preserving each one of these great cars.
Stay safe!
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 Post subject: Re: Subframe paint
PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:17 pm 
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MiniMat wrote:
Tim, this is the orginal stencilling and star on my rear subframe. MK2 1970 S.
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