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Author:  timmy201 [ Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What are my chances of getting through rego?
I think you might be better off starting simple, just sort out if the car has had import approval. Once this is sorted I'd get the car up to a minimum running and driving spec and then book in and take it for a blue slip and see what they say. No point spending lots of money on engineering things if you can't get it registered, and also no point on spending money on things they aren't going to check anyway.
Author:  1071 S [ Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What are my chances of getting through rego?
I would agree with Timmy ..however...

At this stage I wouldn't worry about Type Approval.

I have two UK cars and have never (sic) had any issues - but they are older than yours and no ADRs apply.

The Motor Registry will be interested in three things:

1. Who owns the vehicle?
2. Is stamp duty payable? and
3. Is the car roadworthy (and is it insured)? Is that four??

1. If you can't get/haven't got a receipt from the previous owner, a stat dec will be accepted (BTDT).

2. If you haven't registered the car in NSW previously then you are liable for stamp duty. They all ask you how much its worth and accept any reasonable answer.

3. The Roadworthy Cert. (blue slip in your case because you don't have an existing registration). You will need to find someone with a blue slip qualification and discuss your case with them.

You know the cars build date so read the ADRs and find out which our car is required to meet (all those in force when it was manufactured). You should be able to judge which it will meet. Ask the blue slip guy how he will determine whether it passes. In my experience, "as supplied by the original manufacturer" is generally acceptable - but you should ask.

In my case they wanted proof of age and weight. I used my Heritage cert for age and a Haynes repair manual spec sheet for weight. They would have accepted a certificate from the local (firewood suppliers) weigh bridge.

At this stage you have the "official" answer as to what is required....and hopefully haven't spent any money

WRT your discussions with the local club; I can understand they may not want to accept the liability for inspecting a "new" vehicle but they shouldn't object to things like a second tank. The regulations state the "period modifications" are acceptable and second tanks were commonly done in period......

I find it mildly amusing that it would be pretty hard to find a modification that wasn't done in period. No Honda conversions for sure but the period choices included Jaguar (modified), Chev, Ford (BDAs) so "engine swaps" are definitely period :)

Cheers, Ian

PS I'm in NSW as well you you should be facing the same regs as I do.....
Author:  hpal [ Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:04 pm ]
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update,
Spoke to a few local mechanics (one who had imported Jaguars) and they reckon I'll be fine I just need a build date which I can get in a Heritage Certificate, not many records just build date basically but it will be in a formal certificate which is what matters. The Import approval turned up nothing, but they're sending me an email stating so. Lodged a GIPA request with RMS to find previous rego details or any other info, this should be my best hope I'd reckon.

First port of call would be getting it on the road with the other club, they do their own inspections so should be no issue. Then I might do it more throroughly later on once it's properly sorted.
If it was on the road on Historic rego and I for example fitted seatbelts in the back or different seats in the front, would I have to get them engineered??
Thanks
Author:  timmy201 [ Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What are my chances of getting through rego?
You’ll still need a mechanic’s blue slip if you’re commencing a new registration. Clubs can only do renewals?

VSI6 is a good guide to modifications in NSW
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roa ... ations.pdf
Author:  9YaTaH [ Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What are my chances of getting through rego?
hpal wrote:
update,
If it was on the road on Historic rego and I for example fitted seatbelts in the back or different seats in the front, would I have to get them engineered??
Thanks


Can of Worms time: most clubs who offer Concessional Registration do it in the spirit of the scheme and don't like the car to be in a constant state of modification once they have approved your car as suitable...having said that, yes, if you get the car on Historic rego just make sure you run any future modifications past the clubs registrar...
Author:  drmini in aust [ Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:40 pm ]
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timmy201 wrote:
You’ll still need a mechanic’s blue slip if you’re commencing a new registration. Clubs can only do renewals?

VSI6 is a good guide to modifications in NSW
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roa ... ations.pdf

I didn't need a blue slip when mine went on club rego. Registrar inspected and drove it, filled out he paperwork and it was good to go at the RMS.
Author:  timmy201 [ Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What are my chances of getting through rego?
drmini in aust wrote:
timmy201 wrote:
You’ll still need a mechanic’s blue slip if you’re commencing a new registration. Clubs can only do renewals?

VSI6 is a good guide to modifications in NSW
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roa ... ations.pdf

I didn't need a blue slip when mine went on club rego. Registrar inspected and drove it, filled out he paperwork and it was good to go at the RMS.

Yes, but I’m guessing it was previously registered in NSW?

As this car has no current registration I’d assume a blue slip is necessary
Author:  1071 S [ Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:49 pm ]
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hpal wrote:
update,
Spoke to a few local mechanics (one who had imported Jaguars) and they reckon I'll be fine I just need a build date which I can get in a Heritage Certificate,

When you start examining issues there are a few curly ones.... Don't ask don't tell is an excellent policy. Let them ask ..... and answer the question they ask. Prior to Compliance Plates no Oz Mini has an official build date.... There are broad groupings and timings but no non-mini specialist (read Pink/Blue slip inspectors) will have a clue what they are actually looking at. Usually they will ask you....

not many records just build date basically but it will be in a formal certificate which is what matters. The Import approval turned up nothing,

I would suggest that unfortunately you've started digging a hole and the more you dig the harder it is to climb out.

but they're sending me an email stating so. Lodged a GIPA request with RMS to find previous rego details or any other info, this should be my best hope I'd reckon.

First port of call would be getting it on the road with the other club, they do their own inspections so should be no issue.

If the club inspector is happy to sign then go for it. There's no place on the paperwork for "previous rego number" You can see the paperwork they have to sign on the RMS website. You don't even need a separate Green Slip (TPI)

Then I might do it more throroughly later on once it's properly sorted.
If it was on the road on Historic rego and I for example fitted seatbelts in the back or different seats in the front, would I have to get them engineered??

Depends on what different front seat you might choose .... Noting the construction of the rear bulkhead of a Mini I would not be fitting rear (3 pt) belts without significant engineering ...check what Leyland thought necessary to fit rear belts when they put them in the Clubbie
Thanks


As I said before,..ask the authorities what they want, don't go off looking for things that you think they might want.

Good luck, Ian
Author:  hpal [ Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What are my chances of getting through rego?
UPDATE. GIPA request with RMS turned up nothing with the current numbers on the car. So, it wasnt imported and wasn't registered? Guess I'll have to start from scratch with a blue slip and anything else they require me to do on the car to make it comply. :?
Author:  peterb [ Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:05 pm ]
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Rock up to your local RTA and ask for inspections officer, he'll soon fill you in on what you'll need.
The receipt doesn't have to have been a registered owner, just to show you acquired it legally.
Pre '88 probably doesn't require much changes. Don't fiddle with the seat belts, just keep lap belts in the back till regoed.
Author:  9YaTaH [ Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What are my chances of getting through rego?
peterb wrote:
Rock up to your local RTA and ask for inspections officer, he'll soon fill you in on what you'll need.
The receipt doesn't have to have been a registered owner, just to show you acquired it legally.
Pre '88 probably doesn't require much changes. Don't fiddle with the seat belts, just keep lap belts in the back till regoed.


Yep...FIND an RMS Office that HAS an Inspections Officer first...and be prepared to engage one of the RMS Engineers listed on their website if the nice man scratches his head and don't want to take the risk...good advice on the seat belts...
Author:  1310/71 [ Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What are my chances of getting through rego?
Whether you need a blue slip, pink slip or club inspection to put your car on historic rego will entirely depend on how your specific intended club chooses to handle it. The best advice people have given you so far is to talk to the club direct. They may baulk at the import status side of it, they may not. Once, you have their answer, I would trot along to a Service NSW office and validate that what they are proposing will be acceptable to the RMS.

I'm currently the registrar for another marque club (non mini). At present, our club requests a pink slip for HCRS or HVS; and a blue slip (as per the ACMC requirements) for CVS.

The difficulty you may face is if you get it onto the historic scheme and subsequently want to fully register it (or sell it), the next time you do want to register it may be a pain.

The good news, is that it appears that Historics and Modifieds appear to have entered the mainstream RMS system so at least your VIN and Engine number etc may have "history" with the RMS when it comes time to do that. Renewals for the various club plate schemes in NSW no longer have windscreen stickers and they will now accept E-slips instead of hard copy pink slips (I'm hearing the books can no longer be purchased). This all backs up the statement that they have gone "mainstream" in NSW.

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