ausmini https://www.ausmini.com/forums/ |
|
Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini https://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84973 |
Page 1 of 7 |
Author: | MrFail [ Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
This conversion is going to be very I can't wait to see progress |
Author: | Archangel007 [ Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
MrFail wrote: This conversion is going to be very I can't wait to see progress Hey MrFail, yes, we hope its going to be very cool too! Heaps of progress made since Monday 10th, and I will post more up soon. Enjoy!! Cheers, Tricky |
Author: | peterb [ Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
This should make for interesting reading/viewing so we want lots of pictures. I've not read the rules regarding doing a project like this and rego'ing it but it would come under a 'major modification' rather than an engine upgrade wouldn't it? What's the rules say about changing engine positon? |
Author: | hallsey [ Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
Holy Crap Tricky Cannot wait for this Freakin awesome Cheers Hallsey |
Author: | MrFail [ Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
This needs to be on video like the uk gt4 celica one . Im excited already. So how does the f20b compare to the later integra 2L (k20a isnt it?)? |
Author: | Archangel007 [ Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
Hey MrFail, Yes, I love those videos by Nik and Richard. But then we would have to call it 'Project Fluffy', or something like that. Those two are p!ss funny, would love to do a video like that!! Any takers...?? The K20 is a whole next gen further on than the F/H/B-series engines, so you would expect them to be have better specific power output and also better volumetric efficiency. They have i-VTEC, (intelligent VTEC), roller rockers, COP ignition and variable length inlet runners etc, so they should be a quantum leap ahead, but are they.....?? If you have a look at the K20A2 - available in a few models including the Aussies Integra Type-R, the specs say (Wikipedia): Integra DC5-R (Australia) Displacement: 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in) Bore x Stroke (mm):86.0 x 86.0 Compression: 11:1 Power: 200 hp(147 kW) @ 7400 rpm Torque: 142 lb·ft (193 N·m)* (196 N·m) @ 6000 rpm Redline: 7800 RPM Revlimiter: 8100 RPM i-VTEC Engagement: 5800 RPM Now compare this with the F20B (Wikipedia): Accord SiR, SiR-T, Torneo F20B 97-01 2.0 L Valve train: four-cylinder, DOHC VTEC, 16-valve Bore: 85.0 mm Stroke: 88.0 mm Displacement: 1997 cc Torque: 145 lb·ft (197 N·m) @ 5500 rpm Horsepower: 200 hp (150 kW) @ 7000 rpm Red line: 7400 rpm Compression: 11.0:1 Fuel control: OBD-2 As you can see, they have gone back to a square block, and they have gone back to using cast iron sleeves instead of FRM sleeves as seen in the H- and some F-series engines. I think with our engine mods, we can get from 200hp to the 220-230 mark which isnt bad for N/A engine. If we skim the head and get the static comp to 11.5:1, I think we may nudge the 250hp mark!! 125hp/litre SPO is not a bad outcome!! The F20B is the forgotten cousin in the Honda engine line-up, but it really is an exceptional engine and, as you might haved guessed, I am a big fan. If you couple the above specs with facts like larger main journal diameter, exceptional rod/stroke ratio and the fact that they are cheap (as compared to the newer i-VTEC engines and any B-series) they are very hard to pass up. The only issue I have with the Honda VTEC's is the inability to switch inlet and exhaust cams independently of each other (so you could tune for more torque or more HP) as you can with the Nissan SR-Neo engines (also a huge fan). Anyway, my $0.02 on that!! (now, about that video)..... Cheers, Tricky |
Author: | MrFail [ Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
Ok. Cool.... it sounds like a good little engine. It would go great in a little EG civic too by the sounds of it. |
Author: | Archangel007 [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
Hi MrFail, Yep, great little engine. Because they never came to the USA, they never received the popularity of the B16/18 like in Need for Speed. They are just discovering how good they are. Yes, drop straight into a 4th or 5th Gen Civic. Cheers, Tricky |
Author: | booy_it [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
Hey tricky awesome project ...ill be watching this with excitement...oh btw did you have a look a the nissan p12 20v and6sp box for size as these motors have 150kw factory or down grade to the p11 sr20ve I know there a bulky motor but its goin in the rear so could be a different story ....either way great way to think out the box and get approval from dot |
Author: | Archangel007 [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
Thanks mate. Yeah, on the shopping list was the Nissan SR16VE Neo VVL (N15) engine as mentioned above, and also the SR20VE Neo VVL (P12) engine if I couldnt get an F20B. I am a big fan of the Nissan big-hitters as they are well built, gobs of power and uber-reliable. Easily comparable in terms of performance with the Honda's. At the time they were pretty rare, and pretty pricey. More have come onto the market now, so priced have dropped a bit, while people are waking up to the F20B so the price for them has gone up a bit. If I did another one, and I couldnt source a Honda cheaply, the Nissans would be my first choice. More updates soon and thnks for the kind words. Cheers, Tricky |
Author: | blue_deluxe [ Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Leonidas - Mid-mount, RWD, VTEC Mini |
Popped into see Tricky today and got to have a look first hand at this little beastie. With a quick wander round his workshop you can tell that this is going to be something very special. With a few teaser photos of what it might look like dotted around the workshop, scattered amongst technical drawings of mx-5 suspension and Ford prefect schematics, nothing remotely standard will be created at Qik Brix Racing. I can't wait for more of this build to be completed. The work that i've seen definitely wouldn't seem out of place in a silhouette racer or any other top line custom racing car with road tyres on it. If only I had the cash to afford one myself...and maybe the time and attention to detail and perfectionist streak it takes to pull off a build like this. |
Page 1 of 7 | All times are UTC + 10 hours |
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group http://www.phpbb.com/ |