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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:04 am 
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Following on from various discussions about what is required by different states with regards to 1275 fitment and disc brakes etc , and skssgn's suggestion of grouping the links together , we've decided to put them here as a sticky . Anyone else who finds links to any more of the other state's transport authorities websites with info dealing specifically with vehicle modification please post them here as well .

NSW RTA - http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... /vsi06.pdf

Or for a more comprehensive list

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... i_dl1.html

QLD Dept of Transport - http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTAS ... an05v2.pdf

Vicroads - http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonl ... 0/VSI8.pdf

SA Transport
http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/rss/cont ... _guide.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:30 am 
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The QLD link doesn't work!

I just changed the 998 engine in my mini for a 1275. No mod plate required as I have cooper s brakes. Just talked to an engineer on the phone who confimed that the cooper s engine "option" was fine as long as the cooper s "option" brakes were fitted. According to this engineer, the cooper S brakes "option" must include the different rear wheel cylinders and stepped drums, but booster optional.

(Note: ANY non standard brakes such as 8.4" or hybrid will require an engineers certificate & mod plate to be considered legal)

When getting advice such as this from QLD transport engineers, ask for a receipt no for the call to tell the people behind the counter when you change the number. Suspicious lot! :lol:

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For Western Australia: http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/licensing/1412.asp

My understanding is:
- A change to a Cooper S 1275 will require disc brakes (as fitted to Cooper S as original equipment)
- Fitting an ordinary 1275 you can still get away with drums (as originally fitted with some 1275s)

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I live in QLD driving a 1963 850 with drums all round and I changed the 998 to 1275 motor. The form asked has it changed from factory specs? I said no "it's a standard 1275 :)".
All I had to do was show them the new lump & engine #. I never mentioned the size to them/any authority.

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Kenno, you might have gotten away with it for now (and I know you're not the only one), and you probably won't get defected for it (I don't imagine many police officers are up with Mini engine numbers) but it doesn't mean your insurance will cover you if you make a mistake... :roll: The regs do say that you can upgrade your engine, provided you do the complete package - i.e. no V8 Toranas with drums, no Cooper S spec (1275) Minis with drums. Some would argue that Mokes came with a 1275 and drums, but you know that's not going to cover you after a crash - if you want anything other than strict application of the rules, you need to see an engineer (who would tell you to get discs anyway). Otherwise you're liable for the mods. The DoT won't accept any liability for their "mistake" in allowing you to register and drive a vehicle which doesn't comply. I'd advise you to look into upgrading to S discs... :roll:


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I've found the NSW requirments for wheels too for another thread so will put them here as well ,

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... 9_rev4.pdf

And since it regularly comes up this is what they say about spacers and wheel adapters -

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• The fitment of wheel spacers (or adaptors for dual wheel conversions) between the wheel mounting face
and the road wheel is not permitted unless fitted as original equipment by the vehicle manufacturer.

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Following on from Joe's seat and floor flexing request in mini chat I've searched for my previous post and the info seems to have been lost in one of the big crashes . However I still had most of the emails so will put them in here for future use . These are answers to my request to the RTA website about using aftermarket seats like the cheap ones sold on ebay in a mini that may or may not have been built before ADR's .

SA Regency wrote:
Mr White,

In reference to your email enquiry regarding replacement seating in early mini's, as well as ADR compliant cars, please be advised of the following requirements in South Australia:

Pre ADR vehicles - Whilst there are no specific design standards for these seats we would expect a vehicle to be fitted with seats manufactured by either another vehicle manufacturer or a reputable aftermarket seat manufacturer. The seats would have to meet accepted automotive standards for the mounting to the floor and in the case of a two door vehicle with seating in the rear permit access to the rear by conventional means.

ADR vehicles - Any replacement seat would need to be from either a vehicle that has the same, or higher, ADR requirement or an aftermarket seat that is labelled as meeting the ADR's. Mounting of the seat may require an engineers report where non original mounting points are manufactured or where a cradle is used to mount the seat to the floor that was not supplied by the seat manufacturer. Access to the rear seat is the same as for pre ADR vehicles.

Seats as per the one shown on the ebay address supplied would require proof of compliance as there is no mention of compliance with any applicable standards. It is not illegal to sell items on ebay as they can be used for off road and marine use, it comes down to the buyer being cautious and aware of the individual State and Territory requirements.

Please get back to me should you have any further enquiries.


NT road transport division wrote:
Hello Ian,

Your email question on applicable standards for seats for vehicles that predate and postdate Australian Design Rules (ADRs)

has been forwarded on to me for comment on behalf of the Northern Territory Motor Vehicle Registry.



Where a vehicle predates an applicable Australian Design Rule (ADR), (ie where that ADR is not binding) then the requirements of the Australian Vehicle (Standards) Rules (AVSRs) must be met. That is, “A seat for a driver or passenger in a vehicle must be securely attached to the vehicle.”



In the NT, where a vehicle (that is not subject to the ADR) is to be modified using an aftermarket seat-ie where the seat is not an (Vehicle) Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) specification seat, then as a modified vehicle, the seats would need to comply with the requirements of the National Code of Practice – VSB5 and be approved in line with the Northern Territory modified vehicle process on a case by case basis.



Where a vehicle is subject to an ADR, and it is proposed to fit Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) seats or aftermarket seats, then the seats and the fitment must comply with the applicable ADRs applying to the vehicle. Where aftermarket seats are fitted, then the National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction & Modification - Vehicle Standards Bulletin 14 (VSB14),is the applicable reference document.



The National Vehicle Standards Bulletins are available at the following URL:

http://www.dotars.gov.au/roads/safety/b ... index.aspx



QLD transport wrote:
Hello Ian The Vehicle Safety Standards Branch of the Department of Transport and Regional Services (DoTaRS), in Canberra, administers the Motor Vehicle Standards Act that requires that all vehicles, when first supplied to the market, comply with all applicable Australian Design Rules (ADRs). The ADRs set the minimum safety and emission standards for vehicles.

Queensland legislation requires that vehicles continue to comply with the ADRs applicable when the vehicle was first supplied to the market. Accordingly, the fitting of any after market vehicle component, such as replacement or aftermarket seats, must not result in any deterioration in vehicle compliance with the applicable Australian Design Rules or Queensland regulations.

If a vehicle was manufactured prior to ADR 3, then there is no requirement to fit ADR 3 approved seats to the vehicle. However, this is not recommended by Queensland Transport (QT) and where possible it is recommended that ADR compliant seats be installed. Additionally, if the new seats do not fit the original anchorage points the new anchorage points are required to meet ADR 3/.. as per Vehicle Standards Bulletin 5b. Modifications to vehicles are regulated in Queensland to ensure those vehicles remain in a safe condition.

The Transport Operations (Road Use Management ? Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 1999 required that: "A person must not modify a vehicle, its parts or equipment in a way that adversely affects the safety of the vehicle". Seating modifications (including seat substitutions) are required to be approved through the QT Approved Person scheme. As non ADR approved seats could be used for racing or show purposes and not for road use there is no restrictions on their sale as for some applications they may be acceptable.


The specific vehicle standards bulletin (5B) that is mentioned can be found here . http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... b_05_b.pdf

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:11 pm 
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Hi,

I have a deluxe with a 998 and changing to a 1275.

I have already got my disc brakes so what else do i need to do in SA??


or can i just go into rego with the new engine number :-S


thanks

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SA Link didn't work, try this one:

http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/pdfs/per ... etin_3.pdf

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:57 pm 
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So this is taken directly from the NSW light vehicle mods pdf. So if I put a 1275 in my 998 deluxe it will need a certificate because it's over 20% larger than 998? (I have cooper S discs)

ENGINE

Modification

An engine that is not of an original family of engine for the series of models, or any engine more than 20% larger than the largest original optional engine for that series.

Examples requiring certification: • Replacement of 2.0 litre Honda engine with 2.0 litre Mitsubishi engine. • Replacement of 2.0 litre engine with an engine capacity greater than 2.4 litres.

Example not requiring certification: • Replacement of a 2.0 litre engine with an engine of 2.4 litres capacity or less and from the same vehicle series.

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sports850 wrote:
Following on from various discussions about what is required by different states with regards to 1275 fitment and disc brakes etc , and skssgn's suggestion of grouping the links together , we've decided to put them here as a sticky . Anyone else who finds links to any more of the other state's transport authorities websites with info dealing specifically with vehicle modification please post them here as well .

NSW RTA - http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... /vsi06.pdf



Nice try Ian...but Roads and Maritime say link no longer exists...but..

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... i_dl1.html

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nsw- ... 2ynth.html

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:45 pm 
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tried the vic link came up with not authorised

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:38 pm 
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For WA, Dept of Planning & Infrastructure is now Dept of Transport :
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensin ... ehicle.asp
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensin ... ehicle.asp

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