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 Post subject: MK2 horn location
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:22 am 
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Hi all.. my Mini K body has a now front apron, the holes for the rubber bump stops are there as is the bonnet catch.
Just wondering if someone with a MK2 could measure the offset for the horn location from a common datum? I’m getting prepped for paint and panel and would like to drill these before, obviously. My horn bracket is triangular and has the right angled bend, so it sits on the top edge of the apron. Any help is appreciated.
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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:19 pm 
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gtr161 wrote:
Hi all.. my Mini K body has a now front apron, the holes for the rubber bump stops are there as is the bonnet catch.
Just wondering if someone with a MK2 could measure the offset for the horn location from a common datum? I’m getting prepped for paint and panel and would like to drill these before, obviously. My horn bracket is triangular and has the right angled bend, so it sits on the top edge of the apron. Any help is appreciated.
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Here are the holes for a MK2 S. The Mini K was most likely bolted to the subframe under the alternator.

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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
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Awesome, cheers - so I’m looking at the two homes roughly 128mm and 160mm?


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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:38 pm 
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Awesome, cheers - so I’m looking at the two homes roughly 128mm and 160mm?


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Yeh. But they probably measured them at 5 inches and 6 1/4 inches.

Here is the original position for the Deluxe and Mini K if you want to keep it original.

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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:56 pm 
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I'm not super dooper interested in a concourse original type of build, it'll be a nice rebodied MK2 S, so sticking with the upper apron mount... looks like you have used the inner wing panel as the datum? (its a bit dark on the screen at my end), so 5" and 6 1/4"
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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:40 pm 
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is there any precident to a MK 2 S having the horn mounted on the drivers side inner guard?

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simon k wrote:
is there any precident to a MK 2 S having the horn mounted on the drivers side inner guard?


I have only seen about a dozen cars MK2 S with the horn attached to the flitch panel and no holes in the slam panel. It did happen but I would estimate less than 2% or 3%.

My theory is that it was done if they forgot to put holes in the slam panel before painting and then went to their back up position.

I have seen them use flat and right angle brackets.

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YG2S4 1851 horn location attached to flitch panel with a right angle bracket.jpg


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YG2S4 2281 Horn attached to Flitch Panel witha flat bracket.JPG


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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:09 pm 
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gtogreen1969 wrote:
I have only seen about a dozen cars MK2 S with the horn attached to the flitch panel and no holes in the slam panel.

I wonder if the harness needed an extension piece or deconstruction when the horn was relocated, or did the standard main harness reach?

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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
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One can even mount the horn or horns outside the inner guard behind the headlight using an existing Bolt hole that holds something else like Brake booster bracket. This provides less cluttering under the bonnet. But this in not for the purists.

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winabbey wrote:
gtogreen1969 wrote:
I have only seen about a dozen cars MK2 S with the horn attached to the flitch panel and no holes in the slam panel.

I wonder if the harness needed an extension piece or deconstruction when the horn was relocated, or did the standard main harness reach?


No extension needed that I can see.


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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 8:02 pm 
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gtogreen1969 wrote:
simon k wrote:
is there any precident to a MK 2 S having the horn mounted on the drivers side inner guard?


I have only seen about a dozen cars MK2 S with the horn attached to the flitch panel and no holes in the slam panel. It did happen but I would estimate less than 2% or 3%.

My theory is that it was done if they forgot to put holes in the slam panel before painting and then went to their back up position.

I have seen them use flat and right angle brackets.

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YG2S4 1851 horn location attached to flitch panel with a right angle bracket.jpg


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YG2S4 2281 Horn attached to Flitch Panel witha flat bracket.JPG


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YG2S4 1757 Horn attached to flitch panel with a Z bracket.jpg


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YG2S4 2700 horn attached to flitch panel .jpg


Were the holes in the horn bracket redrilled or was it convenient of them to leave the lockheed booster front mount holes in the flitch panel and correctly spaced ?

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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
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ausdino wrote:
Were the holes in the horn bracket redrilled or was it convenient of them to leave the lockheed booster front mount holes in the flitch panel and correctly spaced ?


The 2 holes for the Lockheed Booster remained on the flitch panel throughout the VH44 production period in 1970. They were standard holes punched out during panel production.

The booster bracket spacing was pretty close to the horn bracket spacing.

Not sure if the slam panel hole sizes were the same but going off the diagram below of a MK1 flitch panel the holes were 5/16" diameter and spacing 30mm. If the bolts were 1/4" diameter then there should be a bit of wiggle room anyway. I doubt the horn bracket holes needed redrilling.

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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
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Thanks gtogreen. As you said, a good backup plan for the horn.

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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:46 am 
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I knew you'd come through for me GTO :wink:

I'm 2286, 2285 had it on the inner guard and looked original, I hadn't seen 2281's engine bay till you posted above. The bonnet slam panel punch must've been out of action that day

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 Post subject: Re: MK2 horn location
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simon k wrote:
I knew you'd come through for me GTO :wink:

I'm 2286, 2285 had it on the inner guard and looked original, I hadn't seen 2281's engine bay till you posted above. The bonnet slam panel punch must've been out of action that day


Here is the full engine bay photo of 2281 showing the slam panel as well.

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Do you have an engine bay photo of 2285?


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