Hey guys apologies if this is already been talked about.

I am in the process of putting in a 6 point cage. Its not for racing or anything its just to "protect" me if things go wrong (its a very small car remember) plus it will look good...

Anyway, I have talked to the roll cage place (bonds) who have referred me onto the RTA, who referred me onto their website which was useless, which referred me onto the ADR or something which costs $70 to find out the answers, so now I need help.

1. Does anyone know if the Sydney MCC has a "decidated" Mini engineer?
2. Is there a Mini engineer in Sydney out there that I can ask for help?
3. Does anyone know if Shannons will allow the roll cage to be in the car?
4. Can anyone send the regulations or point out where I can get these from?

THANKS..!!!

haha cool..you know that will weigh over 70kg's!

come and play paintball..we'll show you what will happen if you have no protection..

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Hi, I'm onto my second roll cage install at the moment (my first 6 point)

1. Does anyone know if the Sydney MCC has a "decidated" Mini engineer?
The guy I use is Col Potts in Wollongonmg (I will be off to see him next week with mini) He knows minis inside out and is a great bloke.

2. Is there a Mini engineer in Sydney out there that I can ask for help?
As above, I will be calling him tomorrow so I will PM his number to you.

3. Does anyone know if Shannons will allow the roll cage to be in the car?
Only if it has been Engineer certified and is noted on your rego papers

4. Can anyone send the regulations or point out where I can get these from?
Bugger taht just speak to Col. He inspects the car, if he is happy he gives you and engineers report. You take thaht report to the RTA and they note it on your rego papaers.

Things you should know.
As I said I'm doing it at the moment and I'm still saying my chancesof getting the whole 6 point cage approved are somewhere between nil and zero.

BTW they do not offer a great deal of protection in a road accident as your unhelmeted head will probably strike one of the internal bars, even if padded and crack your skull or break your neck. Also, the bars twist in a big collision and can restrict exit from the vehicle. All reasons why they will probably knock back a six point.

My plan is to take my car to col with the 6 point in, see what he say's. If I have to I will remove front part and have it engineer approves with a half cage. The front legs and door bars are pretty easy to install, it's the hoop that is a bastard.

You lose use of the back seat and the car will be registed as a two seater which means if you get pulled over with people in the back you are GONE. some engineers will even make you take out the back seat.

BTW - dont get an alloy cage.

Hope this all helps.

I am considering a roll cage for my mini and would have thought that:

a.) A well designed roll cage in conjunction with a good set of seats and four point harnesses I would have thought would be much safer.

b.) For a road car whats wrong with an alloy roll cage?

c.) How do the cars you see in street machine etc get registered if they have roll cages? Some of them still have rear seats.

Mate.. Brilliant advice and help. If you can send that number that would be GREAT..!

(p.s cant believe your selling N PUSSY)



Can I ask why.? What is the difference..? What would be easier to pass by the regulators that be..??

I have seen alloy cages break up in a crash. There was a car at Eastern Creek that got hit up the bum on the start line (broke a CV joint) and the roll cage broke just above all the mountings. When the car got hit from behind it just pushed the cage foward and broke off all the bars.

I would not use a roll cage without a helmet.

Only reason I can see for going steel over alloy is the new CAMS rule not allowing alloy cages from now on...

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its not for racing... just for show

Make a pretend one up from PVC pipe, cover it with polyurethane foam tube.. who would know???!!

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a.) A well designed roll cage in conjunction with a good set of seats and four point harnesses I would have thought would be much safer.

A good seat and a good fort point harness is safer but if you understand the forces in an accident even a four point harness is not going to set you getting thrown around in a car. Even if you think you are strapped in real tight with a 4 point harness your head will still whip around during an accident and it WILL hit the bars of a roll cage. I have seen F1 driver's heads hit steering wheels in a crash and if you have seen how far they sit away from the wheel you wouldn?t believe it was possible (yes I know F! cars go faster than minis but it's all relative). You may argue that your head will still hit something in a mini if you have a crash. Problem is your car is already designed and approved for road use. Putting a roll cage in is an addition and unless you head is a certain distance from the roll cage bars while you are seated behind the wheel it will not be approved. I'm my last car I had my seat on the floor and I still had to move the hoop back.

b.) For a road car whats wrong with an alloy roll cage?
Two reasons (maybe three). 1) The old saying. I would rather have something I may not need over NOT having something I may need. One day you or someone you sell the car to may want to do some track work. An alloy cage is a useless investment when a steel one will serve the same purpose only a bit heavier.

2) As someone said, alloy cages break and bend easy. I would hate to be in a big accident and have an alloy cage twist and buckle around me trapping me in the car, or worse spearing through my leg.

3) Alloy cages are thicker tube so it will be even harder to get the head to bar clearance.


c.) How do the cars you see in street machine etc get registered if they have roll cages? Some of them still have rear seats.
While the cars you see in street machine are registered you will find that some of them (maybe most) are not 100% street legal. If I had a car that was registered as a two seater going to a car show of course I would put the rear seat back in. Just because it appears like that does not mean it's 100% legal. How many cars are issued with defect notices each year? As I say, a rego sticker does not make it street legal.

But then again, what do I know??

All fair comments ozmotorsport. I have heard of people sliding out of 4 point harnesses in big crashes. I guess nothing can help you if the crash is big enough.

My concern is that in a mini it would not take much like most cars to cause serious damage. My thoughts are that if I can put a roll cage in it should help. If it cant im probably stuffed anyway. I have seen pictures of minis with roll cages that have crashed (including alloy) and those without and I think Id prefer to be in the one with a roll cage. I understand my head will be in trouble but there really arent many soft surfaces around in a mini anyway.

So even if the roll cage does not encroach on passanger space you still cant legally register the car for more than two?

By the sounds of it will be too much of a headache to register anyway.

It's the hopp that does it. THey figure that in most accident you will fly forward and the people in the back will hit the hoop. Mind you My last cage did have arms that went to the parcel shelf which crowded the room in the back anyway. This one has arms to the rear wheel wells which may be better.

You know what it's like these days, no one wants t leave themselves open for litigation so it's just easier to say no - not allowed. My plan is to have teh half cage (4 point) cage approved and on the rego papers it is just noted as "Roll Cage" well it was last time. So stick the whole roll cage back in and take you chances.

In the end if it's for the street and half roll cage is cheaper, lighter and still looks cool.