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kazjim
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:07 am 
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hey all, I'm looking for a Moke Body, preferrably Rolling chassis, but I'm coming unstuck with the ADR stuff...

I always took ADR-27a (Full pollution spec) to be March 1972, however, every moke I've seen around this date has NO pollution gear .....

the actual engine stuff is unimportant, I just need to know what date they started stamping ADR-27A onto the compliance plate !

(yes, yes its for Rota-Moke.....)

The whole projects is about a million times easier if it is pre-27A ....
Thanks Brains Trust....
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i thinky you`ll find it around the late 1974 mark Jim

1975 & onwards were certainly all pollution cars

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weired tho,,,they ended up just using the capstat/thermostatic jet on the very late cars without the air pump & actually got away with it :-)

silly isn`t it???

The dam things produced more pollution & lost power when fitted with the air pump, "stupic" ADRs

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Does this mean my 76 clubman is going to need a whole bunch of EPA gear(which I don't have) to get a road worthy in Victoria.
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I am VERY sure 27a was initiated 6/76
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You may well be right with the mokes Jam,,,but i`ve seen 75minis with plated 27a & pollution sh!t fitted,,,but havn`t seen a 74 with 27a yet, not to say that they`re no out there tho.

Gibovski...it all depends on your Dept of Transport Safety Cert Inspector,,,some don`t even realise what`s needed to suit the regs for the mini,,,,some do realise but understand the dramas asscociated with obtaining all the relevent stuff to have it all working properly,,,some want to see the stuff on there,whether it works or not,,, & others know what`s needed & demend it all be fitted & working,,,But that`s just from my experiences up here in Qld,,,

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Thanks miniman.
I guess I'll try without it first up and see where that gets me.
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If it was a moke ute they were exempt for a couple of years? after 76 (being a commercial vehicle :lol: )

You are definately in the clear, but it would be stamped on the complience plate anyway :wink:

Jim, just be aware that if fitting a later model motor you must comply with the emissions of the later motor e.g. an '87 RX-7 motor would mean you need ULP/cat converter/non-vented fuel tank

Or just go LPG. Then you're exempt from emissions laws :D

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lifted from another thread - leaves no doubt I think......

http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic ... hlight=27a

ozcooper wrote:
All Leyland Mini?s are only required to meet 2nd Edition ADR?s for vehicle emissions where applicable..

Dates of introduction for the old PC category (now known as MA)

ADR 27 ? 1/74
ADR27A ? 7/76
ADR27B ? 1/82

Only 3 reasons to reject a vehicle for ARD27A are -

1. The fuel cap is vented
2. The tank vents direct to atmosphere
3. The engine is not of the same specifications as an engine from a vehicle which is know to comply with the appropriate ARD or a more stringent standards or does not comply with any acceptable overseas standards.

Any later model engine must meet the applicable standard. Any EFI conversion must have the OEM pollution gear fitted and operational. Any model engine made after 01/011986 must meet ARD37/00 for 2nd edition ADR?s and 01/07/1988 for 3rd edition.

This information is for NSW RTA stds. Other States may well have a different interpretation of the above.
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7/76 is correct as far as I can work out. BUT... all Mokes from early 78 onwards don't need the air pump and associated plumbing (just the charcoal cannister and tank venting pipes) as there was a loophole in the regs which stated that commercial verhicles didn't have to meet 27a. All Mokes should be registered as utility, as that's how they were marketed. The Moke with a ute tray is a Pickup, and should still be registered as a utility. I've also seen Californian Mokes registered in Victoria as utilities.
So, technically, your Moke should meet 27a if it was built between 7/76 and end 77. Otherwise you should be right without it. But I agree that some beurochratic dimwit will try to argue that all Mokes should have the pump.

Cheers, Watto :shock:
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So, if Mokes are classed as commercials......

It doesnt affect the maximum size / weight classification, but it DOES change the relevant ADR's !

Thanks Watto!

So, as far as i can work out, a 1972 Engine, fitted to up to a 1975 moke, should be Ok with just a charcoal canister ....

Hmmmmm Time to talk to the Engineer again I think !

What about noise regulations.. will it be Car or Commercial ?
I'm thinking its going to be hard to keep quiet, but if the limit is a bit higher, it gives me more 'breathing Room" so to speak.....

J

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Have you got the Moke Yet...Jim...I have found another one....I'm waiting on the Details for you :wink:

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hmm. so you putting a rotor in it..?

then from what i have read if you are going to a different engine, then you must comply to the new motors ADR time frame. so if the rotor was from a rx7 s what ever and it had all the polution gear. then you have to have it..

can you make heads or tails of what I said. I am so sleepy atm.
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Gaf, awaiting with baited breath ......

GT1310, yep, Front Wheel Drive, Rota, Moke .... Everyone sprouts about how thay are going to do it "One Day" .. f**k 'em.... I'm doing it !

Getting my ducks in a row before i committ too much money / time to it....

Got a lead on a great engine today.. waiting for that to follow through, too ....

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kazjim wrote:
Gaf, awaiting with baited breath ......

GT1310, yep, Front Wheel Drive, Rota, Moke .... Everyone sprouts about how thay are going to do it "One Day" .. f**k 'em.... I'm doing it !

Getting my ducks in a row before i committ too much money / time to it....

Got a lead on a great engine today.. waiting for that to follow through, too ....

J


Crazy bastard.. lol good on you.. will be one kick ass ride. :lol:

I got a fair few rotor mates.. so if you need info or stuff give us a holla and I will see what I can suss.

Cody :wink:
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Thanks....

Its not the first time I've been called that....

Hell, you build one Turbo 998, and everyone thinks your crazy...
Do a stroker 253 / 312 Twin Turbo Holden V8, and it s all good....

I dont get it ....

But yea, I'm going for the totally stock looking, "Californian" style (Down to sunraysias and stickers) but lots of fun to drive Look ....

J

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