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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:16 pm 
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Check to see if you discs or pads or both could be glazed from running them in too heavy or too light not just right 8)


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drmini in aust wrote:
Yes you have to stand on them if unboosted... :lol:
If the rears are not locking up they are OK. S rears will give you even less brakes.
Discs don't stop any better than good drums, they just keep on stopping when hot, and keep stopping straight, and don't need adjustment!
Unboosted S brakes need even more pressure than your BIG 9.1" Honda ones do. But if you really are a girly wuss, fit a servo. :lol:


so if i kept my drums cool, i could keep up with a disc braked mini


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Spaceboy wrote:
drmini in aust wrote:
Yes you have to stand on them if unboosted... :lol:
If the rears are not locking up they are OK. S rears will give you even less brakes.
Discs don't stop any better than good drums, they just keep on stopping when hot, and keep stopping straight, and don't need adjustment!
Unboosted S brakes need even more pressure than your BIG 9.1" Honda ones do. But if you really are a girly wuss, fit a servo. :lol:


so if i kept my drums cool, i could keep up with a disc braked mini


That's pretty much a contradictory statement, the would disc brakes allow deeper braking, hence more performance. You would reach the limit of your brakes alot sooner than a disc braked mini.

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Chris wrote:
I might be wrong here, but I think servos were introduced for disc brakes and about that time drums were getting bigger with heavy pedal pressures. Size for size drums will stop beter than discs at low speeds due to the way they actually drag the lining onto the drum.


Nope sports and luxury cars used huge boosted drums long before disk brakes were introduced (50's).

Jam I find with my disks (cooper s, but they really need a bleed and new rotors) There is a whole level of braking where you think there's nothing left - ie the pedal can actualy go all the way in and then the brakes surprise me with their effectveness every time - but yea gotta stand on them every time.


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My right leg must be stronger than I thought, I'm running 8.4's and they stop on a dime and I don't need to stand on em, and no I don't run a booster. Of course new flexi hoses all round and 2 new Cooper S slaves on back and a good bleed with new fluid probably helped :wink:


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if its the only car that you drive then you wouldn't notice the difference of pedal pressure being to firm.
Have you ever taken an unboosted disc brake car for a run for a while and then jump into some jap stuff. You nearly put your head through the windscreen!! they are really light braking systems. Its like power steering and no power steering.


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^^^ funny you say that, because I go from JAM to Pops (my Mini K) and I nearly put myself through the windscreen :lol: ....with 4WD (4 Wheel Drums) :lol:


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I think you should have stuck with Mini items.. Is the master cylinder big enough to supply fluid to the calipers you used ?


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speedy wrote:
Spaceboy wrote:
drmini in aust wrote:
Yes you have to stand on them if unboosted... :lol:
If the rears are not locking up they are OK. S rears will give you even less brakes.
Discs don't stop any better than good drums, they just keep on stopping when hot, and keep stopping straight, and don't need adjustment!
Unboosted S brakes need even more pressure than your BIG 9.1" Honda ones do. But if you really are a girly wuss, fit a servo. :lol:


so if i kept my drums cool, i could keep up with a disc braked mini


That's pretty much a contradictory statement, the would disc brakes allow deeper braking, hence more performance. You would reach the limit of your brakes alot sooner than a disc braked mini.


so if i kept my drums cooler than the disc braked opposition, could i keep a competitive amount of performance considering discs dont stop any better than good drums


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well with 'Cooper S tax', 'these are rare' tax, and 'wally ebay seller' tax....I would much rather my Honda's 8) :P


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if only someone would sell the plates and the like to fit them


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maybe that "new Master Cyl" you put in there was the bigger (3/4") type,,,they tend to need more pressure applied to the pedal to work,,,the smaller master cyl is a far better "Mechaincal advantage"

& if the front calipers have quite big volume (ie:pistons are huge compared to the "S" ones, then the "Ratio or relationship" between front & rear may well suit the larger Std rear wheel cyls & the balance may well be sweet & won`t need the smaller "S" ones...if there`s no rear wheel lock up when you stand on them, then you don`t "need" the smaller "S" type rear cyls

you may also find that there will be a period of "Bedding" once the pads are bedded to the discs, then they will work far better

also "IF you have fitted quite hard compound disc pads, then they will also take some time to warm up to work better then

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Anton..next week if your coming to Maccas and/or Gannon's..you can have a go at mine and see the difference. They crap over S brakes ;) *runs*

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yes Josh, that would be the ultimate test. Cheers mate.

I was sussing out your booster setup, but you have dual circuit setup...I saw another with single circuit....... :wink: Will be interesting to see the difference.


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J_A_M wrote:
yes Josh, that would be the ultimate test. Cheers mate.

I was sussing out your booster setup, but you have dual circuit setup...I saw another with single circuit....... :wink: Will be interesting to see the difference.

No difference- when the boost hits on a single circuit it locks the rear limiting valve anyway, so bugger all gets to the rears.. :lol:

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