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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:53 am 
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Blokeinamoke wrote:
The main problem is pump seals and hoses which get eaten by the stuff. Rubber is not so bad, nylon and plastic gets brittle and can fail


So, the float in our fuel tank will fail, the floats in the float bowls of the SUs will fail, the SU jets will fail, and possibly the fuel lines and the SU fuel pump will all fail.

now I'm P@#$%@D OFF!!!!

I don't suppose they will subsidise the development and replacement of all of the defective parts?

F#$@!$#@!#Ds


ahem.




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Ethanol eats brass and alloy!!!!!!!!!! SU carbys are made of?????


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wild_willy wrote:
Ethanol eats brass and alloy!!!!!!!!!! SU carbys are made of?????


100 percent willl eat anything, ten percent wont kill it. I ran an alloy/iron SU'd Jag on ethanol blend for 12 months with no side effects. You still be able to buy straight fuel anyway.

I am more worried about the modern cars than the oldies. Minis were designed to run on the fuel avaialble throught the Commonwealth in the 60s.
Do you think that 10 percent ethanol is worse than the fuel available in Swaziland in 1964?

The Brazillian have been using the stuff for ages with no real issues. And yes they did have minis in Brazil.

I would be more worried about the inconsitnant octane on our standard ULP than the ethanol issue. Did you release that 91 octane is the average and it can be as low as 81 octane?


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I was just reading this page: http://www.autoindustries.com.au/ethano ... 00005.html and noted the information below. Some interesting facts there, that I hadn't heard before.


Carburettor Equipped Engines

Vehicles made before 1986 vehicles were predominantly equipped with carburettors and steel fuel tanks.

The use of ethanol blended petrol in engines impacts the air/fuel ratio because of the additional oxygen molecules within the ethanol's chemical structure.

Vehicles with carburettor fuel systems may experience hot fuel handling concerns. This is because the vapour pressure of fuel with ethanol will be greater (if the base fuel is not chemically adjusted) and probability of vapour lock or hot restartability problems will be increased.

As a solvent, ethanol attacks both the metallic and rubber based fuels lines, and other fuel system components.

Ethanol also has an affinity to water that can result in corrosion of fuel tanks and fuel lines. Rust resulting from this corrosion can ultimately block the fuel supply rendering the engine inoperable. Water in the fuel system can also result in the engine hesitating and running roughly.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:21 am 
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GT wrote:
I was just reading this page: http://www.autoindustries.com.au/ethano ... 00005.html and noted the information below. Some interesting facts there, that I hadn't heard before.


Carburettor Equipped Engines

Vehicles made before 1986 vehicles were predominantly equipped with carburettors and steel fuel tanks.

The use of ethanol blended petrol in engines impacts the air/fuel ratio because of the additional oxygen molecules within the ethanol's chemical structure.

Vehicles with carburettor fuel systems may experience hot fuel handling concerns. This is because the vapour pressure of fuel with ethanol will be greater (if the base fuel is not chemically adjusted) and probability of vapour lock or hot restartability problems will be increased.

As a solvent, ethanol attacks both the metallic and rubber based fuels lines, and other fuel system components.

Ethanol also has an affinity to water that can result in corrosion of fuel tanks and fuel lines. Rust resulting from this corrosion can ultimately block the fuel supply rendering the engine inoperable. Water in the fuel system can also result in the engine hesitating and running roughly.


Whilst I agree with all that they said. There is no statement on the percentage of ethanol that produced the results. Ethanol is no worse than many octane boosters that behave similarly, but if your sensible it will cause no harm.


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Blokeinamoke wrote:
You still be able to buy straight fuel anyway.


um, well in QLD, the idea is to have a minimum e5 blend compulsory in every petrol blend, there will be no "un-ethanol blend" petrol available by 2010.

It is a scheme to prop up the farming industry. If they can't sell it normally and make a living, grow something else! It is stupid to legislate to prop up an uneconomic, unviable industry.... Hold on, that's pretty much wmat keeps australias economy going! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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Matt68 wrote:
It is a scheme to prop up the farming industry. If they can't sell it normally and make a living, grow something else! It is stupid to legislate to prop up an uneconomic, unviable industry.... Hold on, that's pretty much wmat keeps australias economy going! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Yes and isnt this the howard government way?

What a shame they cant do more to support other Australian industries rather than getting on camera and saying "Well if the Americans wont buy from us there's nothing I can do about it".

Go on you spinless weak excuse for a prime minister. On ya bike! You might be able to pull the wool over the eyes of the feeble minded and un educated. But your not fooling me.

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Go on you spinless weak excuse for a prime minister. On ya bike! You might be able to pull the wool over the eyes of the feeble minded and un educated. But your not fooling me.


Very good, I like it. :D

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Yeah ethanol might damage our engines and fuel systems but has anyone considered the crap that is already in our standar ULP. It's terrible, solvants etc. ranging from all sorts of crazy things depending on where the crude oil is extracted from. At least Aussie fuel doesn't contain much sulfer LOL! Many other countries burn sulfer with their petrol and get H2S, hydrogen sulphide, AKA rotten egg gas coming out their exhaust. :lol: So I think we should see whats in our standard petrol before saying ethanol is bad, becasue the petrol may be worse, but if they had always made hydrogen engines from the beginning...but thats another story

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