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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:09 pm 
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we took charlie down to shannons, before he had his interior done, they valued him at 9k, and they told us to come back after he's had more stuff done and they'd insure him for 12k. not bad for an 850 :)

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Its not insured.
i did less than 1000 miles in it last year.
Its locked up very well and i never leave it when i take out it somewhere.
It has 3rd party.

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I've got comprehensive with low milage from shannons at $200 per year - worth considering as a fair bit can happen even over 1000 miles, but what if your shed burnt down... or flooded :(

I like how red book bases the valuation on 1.5 million kilometers :D

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I use Redbook and also Glasses guide at work a lot (insurance), I've recently been finding that the redbook values are a lot less than glasses guide or even real world prices. For instance a client had bought a 97 BMW redbook had it at about $7,000, glasses guide was somewhere around $11,000 which is what he paid... Also the same for our Audi as I checked what its worth on both and on redbook its worth about $6,000 less!!!

Have a chat to the bank and see if you can persuade them, you may be able to get a valuation from a local mini business that says they value it at 'x' amount.

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Fact is what something is actually worth and what someone is prepared to pay for it are two completely different things.


If you are actually selling something I would disagree and say that those two things are identical. (As opposed to having a number to wave at a banker). "Worth" is such a subjective thing it has to come back to what a buyer is prepared to pay (how do they decide what they are prepared to pay? By looking at what other people have been prepared to pay! - isn't that the first place that redbook etc look when making their minds up as to what something is "worth"?)

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Fact is what something is actually worth and what someone is prepared to pay for it are two completely different things.





I Love it when people come up with this comment!!!!!
Its like you read it somewhere once and thought you would pass it on as your own.


No it is my own comment actually, I come across SO may people with a $20,000 cooper "s" because someone once paid that for one. I've had own my "s" for 23years, fact is to me its priceless, no amount of money will convince me to sell it. To me it's about the car not what its worth. So does that mean its worth $1000000 dollars on a bank loan, I think not.

And if the REDBOOK price was $20000, that would mean ALL cooper "s" would be worth that regardless of condition.


Seems your more interested in the monetary value of the car than the "value" of owning an "s".




You have no idea!!!
I said i wouldnt sell the car Its been in the family for 38years.
The point was i thought 8000 for a classic that SOME people pay allot of money for
didnt add up. I dont see any low mile 1 family owned cooper s's for sale for $8000.tThe point is where do they get this value when clearly they are bringing more.
As stated from another member here classic cars puts the value allot higher.
Good bye!

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Have a chat to the bank and see if you can persuade them, you may be able to get a valuation from a local mini business that says they value it at 'x' amount.[/quote]




Thanks the advice but i dont need the asset value to help with the loan or i would.
I was just making a point that redbook was a liitle off.

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Redbook values for anything more than 25 years old are almost always way under what you see them advertised for privately.

But note the kilometres that the redbook prices are based on:- (from the redbook site)

1966 MORRIS MINI COOPER I S Sedan 2dr Man 4sp 1300
Prices based on km 615,000 - 1025,000
Trade in price guide* $3,200 - $5,600
National average price - private sale* $4,200 - $7,500
Price when new (RRP) $2,280

A Cooper S with a million kilometres on it!!!! :shock:
That must be the one Cooper S that every single old guy who "once had a Cooper S" used to own. :roll:

Although they're probably pretty close to what you would get from a dealer if you tried to trade it in on a new car.

I can't imagine a Mini (BMW) dealer giving anyone more than $5,600 for a Morris Cooper S if you wanted to trade it in on a new Mini Cooper S.

But at least your bank will consider your Morris Cooper S an asset.
My bank will not include any car that is over 15 years old as an asset :evil:

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cmohr wrote:

Your "s" isn't worth $20,000, until you sell it for that, then the guy who's just bought it has a $8000 car for a $20,000 outlay.

Fact is what something is actually worth and what someone is prepared to pay for it are two completely different things.

Think about it, some paitings go for $60,000,000.....do you think thats what they are actually worth?


these are funny comments - both offensive to the original poster and not very clever at the same time.

Your statement that the ""s" isn't worth $20,000, until you sell it for that, then the guy who's just bought it has a $8000 car for a $20,000 outlay" is wrong even in conservative accounting terms. Why will the guy who'd buy it for 20k have an 8k car? What determines that value in your mind? The reality certainly is different with original Mk1 Ss in top condition breaking $20k at auctions.


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not top quality ones are selling for 10-15k, so comments from some person lacking in a cooper S that wishes he had a cooper S that he bags cooper S owners is just plain Sad....
Yeah Yeah, there all the same, but so is a HSV compared to a base model VE :roll:

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Top quality S's are currently trading around 18k to 25k.

I may be wrong, but I think the Red Book prices are based on second-hand car stamp duty values? This would make sense with the low values.

Wonder what the Red Book value for a XY GT is? :shock:


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Wonder what the Red Book value for a XY GT is? :shock:


1971 FORD FALCON

XY GT Sedan 4dr Man 4sp 351
Prices based on km 540,000 - 900,000

Trade in price guide* $118,800 - $144,500

National average price - private sale* $134,400 - $170,400

Price when new (RRP) $4,625
all prices quoted are GST inclusive


1971 FORD FALCON

XY GTHO Phase III Sedan 4dr Man 4sp 351
Prices based on km 540,000 - 900,000

Trade in price guide* $294,400 - $356,100

National average price - private sale* $335,800 - $425,000

Price when new (RRP) $5,302
all prices quoted are GST inclusive

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Wonder what the Red Book value for a XY GT is? :shock:


1971 FORD FALCON

XY GT Sedan 4dr Man 4sp 351
Prices based on km 540,000 - 900,000

Trade in price guide* $118,800 - $144,500

National average price - private sale* $134,400 - $170,400

Price when new (RRP) $4,625
all prices quoted are GST inclusive


1971 FORD FALCON

XY GTHO Phase III Sedan 4dr Man 4sp 351
Prices based on km 540,000 - 900,000

Trade in price guide* $294,400 - $356,100

National average price - private sale* $335,800 - $425,000

Price when new (RRP) $5,302
all prices quoted are GST inclusive







MMMMM thats interesting that redbook has those values for a GT.
Not saying its bad but coopers are worth jack and gt a fortune.
(not i dont think expect coopers are worth what a gt is).Thought i better add that in before someone takes me out of context.
Oh well.
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Fact is what something is actually worth and what someone is prepared to pay for it are two completely different things.





I Love it when people come up with this comment!!!!!
Its like you read it somewhere once and thought you would pass it on as your own.


No it is my own comment actually, I come across SO may people with a $20,000 cooper "s" because someone once paid that for one. I've had own my "s" for 23years, fact is to me its priceless, no amount of money will convince me to sell it. To me it's about the car not what its worth. So does that mean its worth $1000000 dollars on a bank loan, I think not.

And if the REDBOOK price was $20000, that would mean ALL cooper "s" would be worth that regardless of condition.


Seems your more interested in the monetary value of the car than the "value" of owning an "s".




You have no idea!!!
I said i wouldnt sell the car Its been in the family for 38years.
The point was i thought 8000 for a classic that SOME people pay allot of money for
didnt add up. I dont see any low mile 1 family owned cooper s's for sale for $8000.tThe point is where do they get this value when clearly they are bringing more.
As stated from another member here classic cars puts the value allot higher.
Good bye!



I am Sorry unit, but, my comments were not ment to offend you or your "s". As is the rest of my comments, I don't wish to offend, but, this is where I'm coming from.

I'm positive with the credentials that your car has it would be worth a great deal to replace/rebuild. And , god forbid, if you every did sell, someone would have to part with a huge bag of money to convince you to part with it. But, I stand by the low valuation for use as a security against a loan.

I know what can be fetched by a good brick, but, this is the Redbook price that I am refering to.

9yrs ago I was called by someone offering 14500 for mine , and, it was in peices under the house, I thanked them for their interest but declined the offer.

I too believe that I am the second owner of my "s", it was originally bought as a race car, then, as a show car. I was member number 48 in the original old QMCC. I bought it 1983, it's a 1965 mk1, and its body number is in the first 1000 made. I have rebuild the engine myself 3 times, and am again restoring it, I have hand sanded shell to metal, and sprayed it myself, my father has hand sewen the carpets to be original paterns and joins, I have used original vinyls for interior and roof linings, I have done all the mechanial work myself.


I have keenly watched prices of all kinds of mini's on the market over the years and often read peoples posts of forums such as this, about the price the car was originally advertized for and then what they paid for it, the two mostly being very very different.

Sorry for the rant, and I may be only new to this forum, but, I DO have an idea.

I hope you understand banks and accountants don't value mini's as much as we love them.......(unless the accountant owns one :D )

cmohr

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Just to clarify i wasnt using the value of the mini as security on my porsche.
There is no security on the personal loan they only want to know what asset's i own.

Anyway i got the loan and get my new toy hopefully by next weekend.
Its a Porsche 928s4 and i think im going to love it just as much as the Cooper S.

Wish me luck.

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