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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:34 pm 
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I've run Flashlube in the 1310/1360 since premium unleaded fuel came out. My valve seats were so clean last time the head was off for 1360 install (had done 10,000 hard miles including track days) that I just wire brushed the valves and seats and refitted it.
No valve seat recession. I get way less valve and seat wear than I got with the good old leaded Super.

Cost of 1L of Flashlube last time i bought it was $16. That 1L does 1,000L of fuel. So extra cost of your fuel is 1.6c/L. Cheap insurance. 8)

BTW I can't fit unleaded seats- the ex valves and ports are too big. :lol:

<edit> The wife's 1293 has Rover unleaded seats, to save her the drudgery of tipping additives in when filling up.

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Snake oil perhaps, but for the last 3 or 4 years I've been running an in-line, tin-alloy fuel catalyst on my 998cc, Cooper S headed, Bugeye Sprite. They aren't cheap in the short term, but they are a set and forget option.
This car has been raced, driven in Sprints, hillclimbs, motorkhanas and gets used on the road as well, drinking 98 octane unleaded. The other day I did a routine service which included checking valve clearances, compressions etc and found that most of the rockers needed tightening up a thou or two which is the normal situation with this engine. So unless the cam lobes are wearing faster than the Valve Seat Recession, this head, which hasn't been off since the engine was built in 1998, and the catalyst are staying put.

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Curly wrote:
Snake oil perhaps, but for the last 3 or 4 years I've been running an in-line, tin-alloy fuel catalyst on my 998cc, Cooper S headed, Bugeye Sprite. They aren't cheap in the short term, but they are a set and forget option.
This car has been raced, driven in Sprints, hillclimbs, motorkhanas and gets used on the road as well, drinking 98 octane unleaded. The other day I did a routine service which included checking valve clearances, compressions etc and found that most of the rockers needed tightening up a thou or two which is the normal situation with this engine. So unless the cam lobes are wearing faster than the Valve Seat Recession, this head, which hasn't been off since the engine was built in 1998, and the catalyst are staying put.


Head on since 1998, catalyst since 2003/4. You have a good build up of lead, known as "lead memory" on the valve seats etc. This is a proven fact, and you generally will get 60% of the kms you did on leaded petrol (or LRP, to a lesser degree) before the lubricating properties are lost.

I stand behind my snake oil conclusion. I have read the 'how it works' sections, and while it has been 8 years since studying chemistry at uni, their explainations are rubbish, with selective misquotes to lend credence to their scam. For those that notice a difference in fuel economy i say "not in a controlled study you won't", there are too many human factors making them 'get' the result they want.

A catalyst needs to be present in a chemical reaction, it isn't. To lubricate, you need something to be added to the petrol, the 'catalyst' doesn't do this. May as well utter a mayan chant and sprinkle chicken blood over the bonnet. Actually, that may work better.

Use an additive, or get unleaded seats or both.

Or you will get VSR.

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i dont know why you would waste money on a catalyst or "polarizer" :wink:
when hardened valve seats work


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I don't run anything on my daily driven Morris 1100. No VSR in about 4 years. 8)


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At the last dyno day at MRC I happened to adjust the valves on Spiro da Moke.... :shock:
Josh had thrashed it about for a year or more since last fitted, including a FAST run to Melbourne and back.
#3 exhaust clearance was down to .002" and the other 3 were not much better.

VSR? I know it exists- I deliberately refaced valves and seats in a 202 head for my son's 1132 Clubby, then let him thrash it about for 6 months whilst I ported another. I told him to add NO additives, or use LRP.

When I took then it off, you could see where the hot valves had pulled little bits of cast iron out of the `seats' in the head.

As Matt68 says you need something (additive or hard seats) on a fast roady. I'm not convinced of the benefits of the snake oil canisters either.

BTW Flashlube was invented originally for iron head Holden and Ford taxis running LPG. Like unleaded it is a dry fuel with NIL lube qualities- LPG causes VSR too. :wink:

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drmini in aust wrote:
At the last dyno day at MRC I happened to adjust the valves on Spiro da Moke.... :shock:
Josh had thrashed it about for a year or more since last fitted, including a FAST run to Melbourne and back.
#3 exhaust clearance was down to .002" and the other 3 were not much better.

VSR? I know it exists- I deliberately refaced valves and seats in a 202 head for my son's 1132 Clubby, then let him thrash it about for 6 months whilst I ported another. I told him to add NO additives, or use LRP.

When I took then it off, you could see where the hot valves had pulled little bits of cast iron out of the `seats' in the head.

As Matt68 says you need something (additive or hard seats) on a fast roady. I'm not convinced of the benefits of the snake oil canisters either.
I have noticed that the word thrash and VSR usually go together. 8)

I know that VSR exists, I know that if I was to thrash my motor I would get VSR. I just drive it like a normal car and I have no problems. (I check the valve clearances and compression regularly to keep taps on it)


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sure it isnt lead memory?


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Spaceboy wrote:
sure it isnt lead memory?

Sure it is, he has said so previously. :wink: Head has not been off the poor old thing in eons... :lol:

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ahh okay sorry didnt pick that up


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