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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:52 pm 
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its been over a month and the tyre shop is trying to get out of paying for my wheels!

they coverd the cost of the two rims ($150) but they are steel and not a chrome finish and now are trying to get out of re-chroming them so its back to how it was

they said im lucky they replaced the tyres and bought new rims and hung up on me

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I think you should let sleeping dogs lie , they're widened steel rims aren't they on your mini ????

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winabbey wrote:
The BLMC specification for MK II S Police vehicles (SPO 41) includes the replacement of the standard radial ply tyre (part AYA 8012) and tube (AYA 8013) with tubeless Dunlop Aquajets (AYG 8016) and valves (13H 0412). The MK II S I bought in 1969 was fitted with Dunlop SP41's but I can't remember if it had tubes. According to SPO 41 it probably did.
So if a tubeless Aquajet on standard S rim was good enough for NSW Police pursuit vehicles it should be good enough for us.


The NSW Police (themselves) were quite vocal over the choice of tyres thrown at them back then....obviously inferior and chosen by the bean counters.....the Highway Patrol withdrew their labour on at least two occaisions over the issue of crap tyres....they were out there, but refused to issue infringements....

Once, they did it for Goodyears, whilst Jack Brabham was appearing in adverts for the same tyres.

Aquajets...I wouldn't have em if you paid me :roll:

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yep there widend steel rims, to re-chrome is $185ea, they should do it because my mini should be returned back to how it was before they messed up. it had tubes in when they changed the tyres so they should of put them back in especaily on this type of rim

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Yes , but since the rims have been widened they are technically illegal for street use without being re-engineered so I think it's best to let sleeping dogs lie on this one rather than having them say "well they weren't legal to start with , we tried to help but screw you , we want the money back" .

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9YaTaH wrote:
winabbey wrote:
The BLMC specification for MK II S Police vehicles (SPO 41) includes the replacement of the standard radial ply tyre (part AYA 8012) and tube (AYA 8013) with tubeless Dunlop Aquajets (AYG 8016) and valves (13H 0412). The MK II S I bought in 1969 was fitted with Dunlop SP41's but I can't remember if it had tubes. According to SPO 41 it probably did.
So if a tubeless Aquajet on standard S rim was good enough for NSW Police pursuit vehicles it should be good enough for us.


The NSW Police (themselves) were quite vocal over the choice of tyres thrown at them back them....obviously inferior and chosen by the bean counters.....the Highway Patrol withdrew their labour on at least two occaisions over the issue of crap tyres....they were out there, but refused to issue infringements....

Once, they did it for Goodyears, whilst Jack Brabham was appearing in adverts for the same tyres.

Aquajets...I wouldn't have em if you paid me :roll:


I forgot to mention that a BLMC Service Letter in 1971 about NSW Clubman GT Police vehicles specified the use of Goodyear Sports Radials, with the statement, "It has been reported that handling problems have occurred with Dunlop Aquajets which were previously used on Police Cooper 'S' vehicles".
I'm trying to do a faithful restoration so luckily Aquajets are still available, and I will be paying for them. But I sure as hell won't be doing anything with the car to test their limits.


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[quote="winabbey" I'm trying to do a faithful restoration so luckily Aquajets are still available, and I will be paying for them. But I sure as hell won't be doing anything with the car to test their limits.[/quote]

Hallelujah :D

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munkey i will tell u with a 100% confidence why your tyres came off the tim. ive got 5.5x10" rims on tiny now and they are not meant to have a tube but im not running in them because tyres these days are not meant to have tubes in them. but thats beside the point, when a tyre fitter fits a tyre to your rim he needs to apply soap/wax on the beads of the tyres so they will slip on easy and not tear.

now because u dont have a bead lip on the rim there is nothing holding the bead in place. soap/wax is very slippery there for will slid towards the centre of the rim as u make heavy turns. there for forcing ur tyre to full in the well of the rim therefore deflating.

to prevent this tyre fitters with these rims either put a tube in the tyre or use bead sealant. bead sealant is a very tacky sort of stuff thats like slastic for gaskets. once it hardens you cant get it off unless u scrub. this prevents the bead sliding into the well.

this is what i have done to tyre/ rims and i havent had an issue yet and anyone that has been on a cruise with me can tell you i dont take it easy on corners.

i would suggest to you next time you go tell the manager or tyre fitter to put bead sealant around the rim where the bead sits. so this doesnt happen again. running are tube is only a band aid fix because these tyres will kill the tube.

and this is coming from a tyre fitter/mechanic

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When the Mini was new they came without tubes (well, most of them but not the early cars)
The rims did not have raised beads.
They are not meant to have a tube.
Fitting a tube can cause other problems.

All the Minis on this forum running standard rims without raised beads do not have a problem except for MUNKEY.


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morris you missed what i am saying. i have had this issue before with a customer of a set of rims from a trailor. we took the tubes out and replaced the tyre without a tube. later that week the customer complained about the tyres comming off so i took the tyres off the rims to discover that the wax that i had used was causing the tyres to slip into the well whenever pressure was put on to where the beads seat. to fix the problem i put another set of tyres on without soap or wax and carefully put them on the rim. i used some bead sealant to help it grip better. customer came back after his trip and thanked me for it.

ever since then that same customer has been coming back for new tyres on those same rims and still hasnt had a problem. i know never to use any sort of lube on those tyres for his rims

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Morris 1100 wrote:
When the Mini was new they came without tubes (well, most of them but not the early cars)
The rims did not have raised beads.
They are not meant to have a tube.
Fitting a tube can cause other problems.

All the Minis on this forum running standard rims without raised beads do not have a problem except for MUNKEY.


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I run tubes in my cooper wheels to prevent the very problem of rolling tyres off rims. The original rims were never designed to take a tubeless tyre as there is no bead on the rim to prevent the tyre from rolling off. I found out the same way as MUNKEY but without any disastrous results or damage the day after having new tyres fitted where the tyre fitters removed the tubes when fitting the new tyres.


my old tyres with tubes were fine! then i got new tyres without tubes and they came off and now i have new tyres and tubes again and no problem!

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you can get tubes for tubeless radials - I used them on a set of knock off wire wheels I had - which leaked.

They dont overheat and have a different shape to a standard tube - more oval in section. I used them for three years of abuse and track work with no issues - as long as you take the stickers off the inside of the tyre before you install the tyre :wink:

You cant get them anywhere decent that sells Dayton wire wheels.


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the shop has alraedy admitted there guilt by paying for my new rims which are plain steel as they were the only ones around and they were happy to pay $150 for after they couldnt get the old ones repaired, if they knew they were right and not liable then they would not have pay'd for my rims. they are just being cheap and dont want to pay to have them chromed so they are original again and match the rest of the my wheels.

i just want my mini back to how it was

its like not tighting up someones wheel nuts then there wheel falls off and they say we will pay for new nuts and studs but not the damaged rim

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MUNKEY wrote:
the shop has alraedy admitted there guilt by paying for my new rims which are plain steel as they were the only ones around and they were happy to pay $150 for after they couldnt get the old ones repaired, if they knew they were right and not liable then they would not have pay'd for my rims. they are just being cheap and dont want to pay to have them chromed so they are original again and match the rest of the my wheels.

i just want my mini back to how it was

its like not tighting up someones wheel nuts then there wheel falls off and they say we will pay for new nuts and studs but not the damaged rim



you are a 100% right munkey they are being cheap because they dont want to have to pay for there stuff up. it happens all the time at our stores. customer will complain about something we did, the regional manager will tell us not to accept blame and pin it on the customer, if that doesnt work he juz find something cheap and say thats all we could find. take it or leave it.

munkey as a comsumer you are allowed to take this further. if you want it back the way it was they have a responsibility to fix there stuff up. they are at fault they should have to pay to get your car fixed properly.

its like them smashing your car on a test drive and saying will fix it and give it back to your with only the panels fixed and not resprayed with paint or anything.

that is not how u gave them the care and thats not how you should be taking it back

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