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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:01 pm 
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well I prefer to use a VBFH.

It has been far more useful than my rattle gun.... go figure

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I like go for the knock-ometer and if that tool doesnt work go for the FBH


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better just to turn the LH thread clockwise to undo it I reckon :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: BFH ?
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Hi all

I've been concerned recently about advice given to people.

The use of the ubiquitous BFH seems to be too much in abundance.


Steve


Don't worry Steve, would be if they could be back yard mechanics (and qualified ones) have been ruining perfectly good parts with hammers and god knows what else for years.
I would love a dollar for every hard to get Mini part I have had to put aside because of it being destroyed by some Idiot working on it with his so called BFH and other tools of destruction!
The point is you have raised a serious concern here and by the tone of the responses has been treated as a bit of a joke.
The fact is Morons do butcher parts with hammers so if in doubt THINK TWICE, HIT ONCE.


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Panthersteve wrote:
Hi all

I've been concerned recently about advice given to people.

The use of the ubiquitous BFH seems to be too much in abundance.

While i acknowledge the use of this tool from time to time it seems that it has become the tool of choice for tasks varying so widely that I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a suggestion for inserting locking strip in windscreen rubbers. :!: :!:

It is quite possible that what I have seen lately has been meant in jest, however if this is the case then the writers intentions have not been portrayed with their words. While having a joke like this is ok it must be made quite clear when this is so. Otherwise a learner "Mini mechanic" will take the words as they appear and use that BFH.

The instances I have seen lately have been indicative of abuse to our little cars, it is hard enough at times finding the right parts for our vehicles without intentionally destroying some.

Please choose your words carefully so that advice is helpful, constructive, informed and useful.

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Hear Hear!

Remember that a lot of people who read threads on here are young, and willing to take someone else's advice, particularly when it is on a forum such as this. So the advice should be constructive, if you don't actually know what to do, or how to do it, keep quiet.

If you do make a joke, indicate clearly that it IS a joke, what you may think is crystal cleart is often easily misinterpreted, so think before you type.

Now if that advice doesn't make sense, maybe you should try inserting it in your left ear with a BFH. :wink: :lol: (Joke people!!)

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To add to that,

Always use a drift of a softer material than the part you are trying to remove or move, Aluminium or brass on steel, Nylon on Aluminium, even a block of wood struck on the end grain. Avoid hitting anything directly with a metal hammer if possible. If you have plenty of room use a dead blow hammer, and start off gentle. A good example of that is freeing the head from the block or freeing the thermostat housing - how many people have destroyed them trying to knock an old one off :shock: Not me. :roll:

Don't start bashing the crap out of something until:

a) You know it is fully free of all attaching hardware.
b) You have tried freeing the part with CRC, WD 40, Mouses Milk etc, for a good 24 hours.
c) You have asked someone else to have a look and they can't think of anything else.
d) You have decided bashing the part would be fun and hang the expense.


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I don't know how many times I've had this same argument via PM's with people complaining that I "dumb down" my explanations too much ....

Not everyone here has the same level of mechanical knowledge and what a lot of people realise is common sense after doing something a few things isn't so obvious to someone doing it for the first time .

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Phfffft - I agree with the not-too-much persuasion with a heavy blunt object...

however...

I do have a 14 pound sledge that had a former life in destroying crypto gear in the event of a boarding at sea. Takes a lot to lift it but when it comes down...LOOK OUT!!!

All in jest too...I use it mainly to remove stubborn suspension stuff off the 4 x 4. and hold doors open :P

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CPOCSM wrote:
I do have a 14 pound sledge that had a former life in destroying crypto gear in the event of a boarding at sea. Takes a lot to lift it but when it comes down...LOOK OUT!!!


Only a 14lb'er ? I used to spend days swinging one of them and a 20 lb'er putting in survey pegs ...

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CPOCSM wrote:

I do have a 14 pound sledge that had a former life in destroying crypto gear in the event of a boarding at sea. Takes a lot to lift it but when it comes down...LOOK OUT!!!

Hooroo


Looking at the average height and weight of the average modern day CSO and CIS I think they will drop the hammer on their dainty little feet before they manage to swing it above their head..

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OI!!!

I resemble that remark.

I really like the feeling of dropping one of those on your feet when you are wearing koala sandals(Hmmm we cant wear them anymore at sea!!).

BTW I am an RP stuck in this CSM's body!(CPORP sounds a lot better than CPOCSM!! :evil: )

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As a beginner myself, I would probably say that I'm more careful when it comes to following the suggestion of using a BFH or similar device. The only time that comes to mind so far is the removal of the retaining clips from the top bolts on the subframe on my 850. When I was told 'hammer and screwdriver' or 'hammer and chisel', my first response was... :shock: But then, the same suggestion seemed to come up often enough, so I tried it, albeit VERY carefully, and it worked well. I honestly think I've messed up more in other ways, particularly with the use of a drill so far... :x I guess I'm saying that starting out on most things, I tend to be very careful and slow, and only later become more confident as time goes on. I'm not sure what other beginners think of this - It would be interesting to hear.

That being said, I do appreciate how easy it is to convince someone of strange things, as long as you keep a perfectly straight face. Not that hard to do on here. Agreed... The BFH should not be thrown around lightly, pardon the pun.

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You can do anything with a BFH and large flat tipped screwdriver (FLS). The devices can be used in a range of force between 1 and 1 million.

So the tool probably isnt the problem the problem is that a force factor 700,000 was applied where 7 was all that was needed.

So its not the BFH hammer that its the issue its BFH swung TBH


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I have an array of hammers included in my tool box. I have rubber mallets, light and heavy ball-pien hammers and a soft faced leather mallet.

Balanced against this is the array of punches, chisels, copper, steel and aluminium drifts I have to direct or dissipate the damage caused by the use of the tool.

They certainly do have a very important place in a tool kit, but one must learn (usually by hard experience) that a misdirected or ill advised blow will cost you dearly.
So with that in mind, I guess it's easy to keep it in in our thoughts when advising others.

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