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meeni wrote:
are these kits legally fittable over here for a road car??


they are legal as long as they dont affect the structural integrity, in other words if the subframe is just as soldif without the front as with the front it can be done legally

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Tilt Fronts

"Tilt front" is a term used to describe a type of forward pivoting integral engine bonnet, grille and front mudguard assembly for front engine vehicles. Examples of production vehicles fitted with this type of engine access are the Jaguar "E" Type and the Triumph Herald.

The fitting of a tilt front will be acceptable to Transport SA providing that:-

a. The new body sections are designed and constructed with no dangerous or sharp projections so that in
the event of an accident the risk of injury to pedestrians and cyclists is minimised.

b. The new body sections do not obstruct the visibility of lamps fitted to the front of the vehicle and in
particular the direction turn signal lamps or headlamps.

c. The new body sections do not obstruct the field of view of the driver. The field of view requirements are
determined as follows;

• With the drivers seat in the rearmost position, it shall be possible to see, unobstructed for the full
width of the vehicle, a line drawn on the roadway 11 metres ahead of the "driver's eye position"
when looking over the bonnet. For the purpose of this requirement the "driver's eye position" shall
lie at the bottom of the of the 95th percentile eye ellipse (reference ADR 15/01 clause 15.1.5.1).

• Alternatively the "driver's eye position" can be taken as a point 750 millimetres above and 270
millimetres forward of the junction of the seat cushion and seat squab with the seat in the lowest
and rearmost position.

d. All lights fitted meet the requirements of Road Traffic (Vehicle Standards) Rules 1999 and ADR 6 or
6/00

e. The anchoring, hinge and latching mechanisms are durable and have sufficient strength to secure the
hinged section. Transport SA may request a submission from a Chartered Professional Engineer if
doubt exists concerning the strength of components.

f. In the case of passenger cars and derivatives manufactured on or after 1st January 1969, an engineering
report presented by a Chartered Professional Engineer would be required, which demonstrates that the
vehicle continues to comply with Australian Design Rule requirements in addition to the above.
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extended fronts look horrible, have you thought about asking ben to make you a starlet subframe?

and whatever you think its going to cost you, remember to double it.
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sorry i was talking a bout the whole minitec conversion...

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What's the go? I thought you where heading down the VeeDub road!!
As for a flip-front, I'd go a clubbie one myself.
But hey, good luck with it all anyway!! :D

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There is one on Trade Me NZ.
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Don't know what your local regulations are like but you should look at the latest Minitec frames carefully as I'm sure they all use Rose Joints for the majority of the suspension.

EDIT: The original MTB frame should be ok. Have a mate here doing a conversion using one. It uses the original type rubber bushes. From what Minitec say this frame should also fit RHD cars without modification (although I have it on good authority this may not be the case and if not will be a right PITA). The MTB2, MTD and MTK frames WILL require modification to fit RHD cars - Minitec say so.
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i thought u were selling your rover for "financial issues" ?? im confused
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I had been looking quite seriously into the Mini-Tec one too. But the thing that stopped me in my tracks and sent me looking for a Suzuki or Toyota was: I was told the Mini-Tec Honda conversion had no 'crumple' zone. That is the engine and conversion took up too much room under the bonnet. And most importantly the track on the Mini-Tec kit was increased too much to be road legal in SA (at the time I was living there). SA DOT did however say it was perfectly fine to make into a race car.

And in answer to the original question, I don't know where to find a fibreglass front.
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supermini - no havnt thought about that, i was under the influence he wasnt making them anymore, i also like the idea of being one of a small group of people that have a VTEC conversion, and im aware of the costs

Damian - i considered the V-dub idea, but it doesnt seem useable for what i wanted.. and id consider a clubby, but i do like roundnoses. but if it was a flip front i could have an unplugable loom and choose which front i wanted haha :)

miniobsessed- yeah i will have to lookinto that a bit more.. and whats the issue with rose joints ?

Dtrain- i am, but im also doing my homework on conversions as i beleive its what i want in a mini, i may be selling mine but once a mini finatic always a mini finatic
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_666_ wrote:
...and whats the issue with rose joints ?

Rose joints should not be used on road cars, they do not last long in road use, they can last a matter of weeks in certain conditions.
Some registration authorities will not allow them.
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Hey Nick, look in the events section. Hotbricks is having some bloke from Regency to guest at our meeting tommorow night. He'll be talking about engine conversions flip fronts etc.

Engine conversions are not well covered in the written stuff. Unlike flip fronts which is. So maybe popping into the meeting with some photos and what not of the vtec conversions and ask.

go to http://www.hotbricks.org.au/meetings/index.htm for the address and time.

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perhaps, dont think id feel right just rocking up to a club im not a part of tho..
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Morris 1100 wrote:
_666_ wrote:
...and whats the issue with rose joints ?

Rose joints should not be used on road cars, they do not last long in road use, they can last a matter of weeks in certain conditions.
Some registration authorities will not allow them.


oh right, well i dont know much about them..
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