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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:44 pm 
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Matt ,those little computer set-ups are quite good. Thank god that steve used his on my engs . It's facinating watching all the info being churned out and see what the eng is doing.
What programme set-up have you got. The one steve has is from the boys at RB racing. It's way to technical for me, I am only a dumb pig iron polisher

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well done Matt, good to see its all running and you got some pretty good figures mate.
my turbo 1293 put out 136hp atw on 14psi so your doing well if it was slipping.
i am using a grey clutch and have no slip even if i screw it up to 18psi.
the last engine build i used Omega forged as the last forged one i got made in melbourne with a different pin height as i had the 84mm crank it it, but i was still using a dizzy and had the timing a bit advanced but it took over 6 years before the detonation did enough damage that i decided to replace them.
I am pulling myu motor down this week to fit a quaife and at the same times will put in new rings bearings oil pump etc and see how the pistons look, they have been in now for 3 years so we will see.

either way you have done well, get some good quality pistons in and they will hold the boost.
p.s dont advance mush over 25degrees (have you got a knock sensor?)

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140 is quite a nice figure!!
sad to hear matt though.....hope its a speedy fix for you and get get this beast back on the rollers!! i know how much time and money you've already poured into this car and the Twinky development...look foreward to seeing some MONSTER figures when the donk is fixed up.

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crap happens Matty

Learning Curve mate, it took yes thousands to get it there, but look, at only half of its potential... it was 140 atw... thats pretty nuts IMHO....

So good on ya!


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Damn Matt...can't wait to see the full potential of this beast!

Bit of a PITA what happened, but I would have to say it was all your own fault you lead footed beach bum :lol:

You just couldnt help your self and had to show off to a knob in a rex....bet it was worth it though even if just for the look on his face as his pride was given a rear ender.... :lol:

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ok,,, firstly thanks heaps for all the kind words & encouragment,,, i really mean that,,, it has taken a long while & been a hard slog to get where we are now & yes it`s certainly been a big learning curve for me the whole way... now it`s just turned into a major humbling :-(

anyways,,, i`ve never professed to be a computer guru (the exact opposite actually) & i`m starting to get a "Bit" of a handle on what`s been going on

seems we have had more than a few problems,,, here we go & please forgive my lack of knowlege on all this stuff,

the boost guage is not actually going past 10lbs , it stops there & won`t go any higher,,, so it`s getting the flick... i was looking at it while dyno-ing but the lap top was saying another completely different thing & i`m not going to say what it went to (my bad) so our electronic boost controller or the waste gate or something was causeing that issue.

there is a major clutch issue which allowed the engine to rev way past where we were load testing so that wasn`t fun trying to adjust settings

There is a major problem with the timing which we "sort of" knew about but it didn`t seem to produce any trouble while drivng the car, but it certainly did at some stage & even more so on the few power runs we did :-(

All the boys were at odds as to the reason for the timing scatter problem,,, & some are talking dissy sensor issues & others are talking something to do with algerithms & some "C" language thing & compiling & the computer blah blah blah being an issue,,, so yes, it`s basically all my fault for giving it the willy before we had it sorted , so yeah i`m a dumb-arse

But at least we (hopfully) have a handle on the few issues,---> maybe

so,,, the problems were---> we had way too much boost (explains why it went so dam Ballistic) ,,, & some silly over advance issue (but i couldn`t hear or feel a thing while driving it tho),,, a slipping clutch letting it spin up,,,,, & my stupid right foot

I`ve been on the phone all morning to all sorts of people concerned with computer programs & tuning data & piston choices & avaliabilitys & costs etc,,, I allready have a new double grey p/plate & new Ap race plate here & we`re going to change the dizzy over to our new crank & cam angle sensor package so ,,, we can fix him :-)

But,,, even with all our problems i`m still a little over joyed at the grunt it has, & with hopfully more to come with set up & tune,,, & with that slipping clutch it just really hasn`t shown it`s true potential just yet.

sorry for the long babbling post (again) ,,, i am a little emotional if you can understand
cheers & thanks again for all your support

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Congratulations Matt - remember Thomas Edison - he didn't fail - just found 10,000 ways a light bulb wouldn't work

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ha ha,,, i like that David, thank you :-)

now selling my own personal small bore 8V twinky donk in for sale section to help cover costs of this melt down

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that a tragedy maty , we know u'll get it all sorted but that truely suks. i 've been watching that moke hopeing that it'd be out and about causing a ruccess but apparently mr moke just wants to come back and sit with all the other minis back at ur joint.

Gl with it, hope it all goes smoothly from here.

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Matt this is a sensational read. If it was easy everbody would be doing it that's why those who are skilled take on these challanges. Great work, keep your head up it is easier to down more Beams.
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Hey Matt! Sorry to hear... But heads up: it'll most probably never happen again to you :) ;)

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that's a shame, but there'll be difficulties when you push the boundaries and try new things! one step back, three steps forward mate :D


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I just had a chat with the owner again & i suggested (or rather told him that i`d rather) just give him his money back & i`ll fit a road mild 1275/1330 A-series 5-port back in it for him,,, his reply was quite quick & straight to the point ---> "No Way"

:-)

Thanks heaps for all the kind words people,,, i just can`t relate or describe with any emotion or true feeling, to anyone on the net, what i`m feeling right now,,, i can`t possibly describe exactly how well this thing goes,,, there`s no way any of you can truely understand what i`m trying to say without actually being in the car while driving it...

If any of you were at the muster last year & saw that silver clubby with starlet turbo injected motor on the dyno??? well "HE" knows what i`m saying i`m sure :-) I`m sure Ian Analzark knows what i`m talking about,,, i`m sure there are few more too, especially some guys in England with similar set-ups

I suspect that there is probably barely a hand full of people in the country who have experienced this sort of grunt,,, but!!!!!! my main point with all this is "HOW DAM WELL THE POWER IS DELIVERED"

I just can`t stress this point enough,,, its insane how nice it drives & how smooth it is & how broard the power spread is, how "Usable" it is... etc etc etc,,, I`m more tickled pink with that part of the equation & that part of the results than any other aspect of it all,,, i`m now in a position to be able to say , without doubt, to anyone who cares to listen, that this package is just "SWEET AS A NUT",,, it`s all so well "Matched",,, i just can`t type the words to be able to get you guys to feel it... you need to be in it to win it i spose :-)

again to all who have encouraged & helped,,, to all who have just listened & read & watched this thing grow & develope,,, i thank you all from the bottom of my heart,,, i`ve realised now (after the last 2 days of gathering & settling & quantifying & calculating & slowing down, comming down, breathing & reflecting),,,, that this isnt nearing the end of the process , this isn`t almost over,,,, this isn`t just a matter of fixing a few fiddly stuff ups & sorting a tune,,, after nearly 10 years of "Playing around" we`re not nearing completion.......... no way....... This truely is just the beginning

:-)

I`ve been trying for 2 days now to find the right word to go close to describing this thing & I`ve just had Steve (Weavel from ausmini) come over here to pick up his front number plate bracket & he used the word "Psycho",,, & i thought "YES"!!!! that`s it,,, but after he left i thought "No" that`s not quite right... it`s just not acurate,,, if we can use the words "Smooth" & "Psycho" in the same sentence then we`re getting closer to the mark

:-)

cheers all,,, my chin is back up & i`m back on the wagon,,, i have a little bit of work to do :-)

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mmm must be like if they made an O.P. bundy red.... ahh so smooth but o so psycho.

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you need to be in it to win it i spose :-)


i'm up for a ride when your done :mrgreen:

good to c its going to continue and that ur reved up too keep going with the beast.

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Matt ,just a few things that I found out the hard way[BANG!!!!] with my set-up , You probably know ,but if it is any help.

clutch I have used the diaphram type the best that is available and also the old type with the spring pressure plate with double springs. With my "butcher's wayof testing" we set up a sensor on the fly wheel and also on the crank [front] end. I found that because the engs rev soooooo quickly that the clutch plate momentarily slips ever time you rev it. It stopped as soon as the revs settled down. I do not think that the clutch/pressure plate assembly can handle the sudden increase in revs under load. A worked std eng as you know will not pick up the revs any where as quick as the eng you have there. This is why I am going to twin plate.

Rev Limiter Again as you have found these this will just rev until the explode. I have had over 9000 and they do not like it. steve set-up the std honda rev limiter one on one of my engs, but as these normally work well about the desired revs the sensing is no where accurated enough. Even when the ignition was killed the inertia of the eng still picked up as the load came off. I use a tacho with shift light that is connected to relay and ignition system so that the max setting is easily adjusted. I found that the "kill" limit was about 600 -800 revs below the max to allow for the inertia

With the pistons you are after let me know and I can try some of my sources. They may be able to come up with a suitable type.

Good to see you are back into it again. Just sit back and have a long hard think about things. I did not and lunched 3 due to rushing and not thinking clearly.

PS Just a crazy idea but the damage to the rings lands , could that have been caused by some sort of bore distortion more than a timing issue.

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