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1972 or 1978 Compliance Plate?
1972 83%  83%  [ 5 ]
1978 17%  17%  [ 1 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Illegal!
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:50 pm 
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Morris 1100 wrote:
Benyni wrote:
It's illegal to remove or change a compliance plate from a car that was put there from a governing body!

No it's not. Don't be silly. :roll:

Maybe it is for a real VIN plate, but a compliance plate? nah...

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal!
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:10 pm 
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Morris 1100 wrote:
Benyni wrote:
It's illegal to remove or change a compliance plate from a car that was put there from a governing body!

No it's not. Don't be silly. :roll:


It may void the warranty though! :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Should not be touched!
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:44 am 
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Morris 1100 wrote:
Benyni wrote:
It's illegal to remove or change a compliance plate from a car that was put there from a governing body!

No it's not. Don't be silly. :roll:


1972 is when Regulations were introduced!

Whats the use of the ADR if compliance plates mean nothing, and can be removed or changed?

And Doc, Isn't a VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) stamped on a compliance plate to IDENTIFY the VEHICLE ???

Qld
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AIS INFORMATION SHEET No. 5
MISSING COMPLIANCE PLATES
For the purposes of registration, all motor vehicles originally manufactured to comply with the
Australian Design Rules (ADR’s) on or after 1 January 1972 and motorcycles constructed
after 1 July 1975 would have been fitted with a compliance plate. Vehicles built prior to this
date must comply with the Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Vehicle
Standards and Safety) Regulation 1999.
Vehicles assembled for the Australian market (locally built and/or imported vehicles
manufactured to comply with the ADR’s. e.g. Holden, Ford, Mazda, Suzuki, Mercedes Benz,
BMW etc.
If inspecting a motor vehicle or motorcycle manufactured after these dates (not including
other individually imported vehicles) which does not have a compliance plate fitted, the
proprietor/nominee should:
• ask for proof that the vehicle was previously registered in Queensland, i.e. current
registration certificate or copy of previous registration certificate;
OR
• if an interstate registration, proof that the vehicle was previously registered in another
state or territory. (Note: if the vehicle has been modified, follow procedures outlined in
the Modification Section of the Vehicle Inspection Guidelines);
OR
• advise the owner that it may be possible to obtain a letter of compliance from the
vehicle manufacturer confirming the vehicle was manufactured for the Australian
market and met all applicable ADR's at the time of manufacture.
Where the owner of the vehicle is unable to provide any documentation, he/she should be
advised to obtain a modification plate and certificate of modification issued by an Approved
Person. Where applicable, Queensland Transport will consider issuing a permit exempting
the vehicle from the need to fit a compliance plate.
In most instances, vehicles (except motorcycles) built prior to 1 January 1972 will be fitted
with a manufacturer’s identification plate.
Other Imported vehicles
Vehicles imported into Australia after 1 August 1989 are eligible for the issue of a Safety
Certificate or Certificate of Inspection where:
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• a personal import (yellow) compliance plate and a Queensland Transport modification
plate with Code L03; or
• a low volume (green) compliance plate is fitted.
Vehicles imported prior to 1 August 1989:
Vehicles which were imported into Australia prior to 1 August 1989 will be eligible for a safety
Certificate or Certificate of Inspection on the condition that the owner can provide:
• proof of previous registration in Queensland prior to 1 August 1989; or
• proof of previous registration in another state/territory prior to 1 August 1989; or
• a permit from Queensland Transport, exempting the vehicle from the need to fit a
compliance plate as was required in the previous Queensland Traffic Regulations and
superceded by the Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Vehicle
Standards and Safety) Regulation 1999, is provided.
Please Note:
Vehicles imported into Australia on or after 1 August 1989 which are more than 15 years old
are exempt from the provisions of the Federal Motor Vehicles Standards Act and do not
require a Compliance Plate to satisfy Queensland Transport registration requirements.
These vehicles, if built on or after 1 January 1972, must be fitted with either of the following:
• a modification plate endorsed with either LO1 or LO3; and
• in the case of LO3 endorsement, a permit issued by Queensland Transport.
Imported vehicles built on or before 31 December 1971 must comply with the Transport
Operations (Road Use Management – Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 1999. An
Approved Person may issue a modification plate confirming this under Code L02 of the Code
of Practice - Light Motor Vehicles.

NSW

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... v_2007.pdf


Last edited by Benyni on Wed May 05, 2010 12:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:11 pm 
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Just get one of the stamping sets and stamp cooper s into the bulkhead.
Easy fix. What are the odds of getting some in a transport department that knows anything.

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:25 pm 
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Benyni wrote:
Morris 1100 wrote:
Benyni wrote:
It's illegal to remove or change a compliance plate from a car that was put there from a governing body!

No it's not. Don't be silly. :roll:


1972 is when Regulations were introduced!

Whats the use of the ADR if compliance plates mean nothing, and can be removed or changed?

And Doc, Isn't a VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) stamped on a compliance plate to IDENTIFY the VEHICLE ???

Qld
Page 19
AIS INFORMATION SHEET No. 5
MISSING COMPLIANCE PLATES
For the purposes of registration, all motor vehicles originally manufactured to comply with the
Australian Design Rules (ADR’s) on or after 1 January 1972 and motorcycles constructed
after 1 July 1975 would have been fitted with a compliance plate. Vehicles built prior to this
date must comply with the Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Vehicle
Standards and Safety) Regulation 1999.
Vehicles assembled for the Australian market (locally built and/or imported vehicles
manufactured to comply with the ADR’s. e.g. Holden, Ford, Mazda, Suzuki, Mercedes Benz,
BMW etc.
If inspecting a motor vehicle or motorcycle manufactured after these dates (not including
other individually imported vehicles) which does not have a compliance plate fitted, the
proprietor/nominee should:
• ask for proof that the vehicle was previously registered in Queensland, i.e. current
registration certificate or copy of previous registration certificate;
OR
• if an interstate registration, proof that the vehicle was previously registered in another
state or territory. (Note: if the vehicle has been modified, follow procedures outlined in
the Modification Section of the Vehicle Inspection Guidelines);
OR
• advise the owner that it may be possible to obtain a letter of compliance from the
vehicle manufacturer confirming the vehicle was manufactured for the Australian
market and met all applicable ADR's at the time of manufacture.
Where the owner of the vehicle is unable to provide any documentation, he/she should be
advised to obtain a modification plate and certificate of modification issued by an Approved
Person. Where applicable, Queensland Transport will consider issuing a permit exempting
the vehicle from the need to fit a compliance plate.
In most instances, vehicles (except motorcycles) built prior to 1 January 1972 will be fitted
with a manufacturer’s identification plate.
Other Imported vehicles
Vehicles imported into Australia after 1 August 1989 are eligible for the issue of a Safety
Certificate or Certificate of Inspection where:
Page 20
• a personal import (yellow) compliance plate and a Queensland Transport modification
plate with Code L03; or
• a low volume (green) compliance plate is fitted.
Vehicles imported prior to 1 August 1989:
Vehicles which were imported into Australia prior to 1 August 1989 will be eligible for a safety
Certificate or Certificate of Inspection on the condition that the owner can provide:
• proof of previous registration in Queensland prior to 1 August 1989; or
• proof of previous registration in another state/territory prior to 1 August 1989; or
• a permit from Queensland Transport, exempting the vehicle from the need to fit a
compliance plate as was required in the previous Queensland Traffic Regulations and
superceded by the Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Vehicle
Standards and Safety) Regulation 1999, is provided.
Please Note:
Vehicles imported into Australia on or after 1 August 1989 which are more than 15 years old
are exempt from the provisions of the Federal Motor Vehicles Standards Act and do not
require a Compliance Plate to satisfy Queensland Transport registration requirements.
These vehicles, if built on or after 1 January 1972, must be fitted with either of the following:
• a modification plate endorsed with either LO1 or LO3; and
• in the case of LO3 endorsement, a permit issued by Queensland Transport.
Imported vehicles built on or before 31 December 1971 must comply with the Transport
Operations (Road Use Management – Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 1999. An
Approved Person may issue a modification plate confirming this under Code L02 of the Code
of Practice - Light Motor Vehicles.

NSW

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... v_2007.pdf


A couple of points...
Where in all of that does it say that it is illegal to remove a compliance plate?

The international VIN number system was introduced well after the end of Mini production in Australia. So no Australian Mini actually has a VIN number.

1972 was not when the Regulations were introduced. You only have to look at a 1970 Compliance plate to see that. (Some ADR's were introduced in 1969 even before Compliance plates were fitted!)


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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:02 pm 
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fit the 72 or u will have to add all the polution rubbish to the car

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:17 pm 
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dodge wrote:
fit the 72 or u will have to add all the polution rubbish to the car

Not true. The ADR27A for emissions has been removed.
The leaded petrol that the pollution gear was designed to work with is no longer available.
So there is no longer a requirement to keep the gear operating.


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In WA at least, when you retrofit a later model engine you are required to keep all the emissions from the later model vehicle (hot rods excepted).

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Try posting up as much info about the shell as possible (body number and pics of the parts that can identify the year of the car). That way we will actually get a good idea of what it actually is.

On the original note I'd fit the 72 plate as the ADR's may be easier to deal with in the long run.

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal!
PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:43 am 
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Benyni wrote:
:idea: Why would you fit a Cooper S plate to a clubman?

Seems a little silly to me!

Because then you'd have one of those Cooper S Clubmans that always seem to pop up on eBay! :P Or you could just say you decided to put the Clubman front on it, because you liked the Clubman front more and wanted to de-value your previously original Cooper S..?


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