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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:58 pm 
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1275LS wrote:
Nav my 1275LS is 8.4 with no booster and seems fine to me. Get in touch if you want to take it for a spin round the block. It is not 4 pots but should give you an idea.

I was just thinking as there would need to be alot more fluid required comparatively to the drums. Esp with 4 pots.
Not advisable to take me for a spin atm, I'd probably not get out of it, or steal it :twisted:. It's been a while since I've driven NAV :cry:
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My Postcode is 4500..


Oooo so is mine :shock: But then 1/2 of this area is.

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One thing I never hear mentioned is the master cylinder. would it be a good idea for it to be changed if going from drums to discs? And is there a benefit to increasing or decreasing the size of the bore in the master cylinder?


A smaller MC bore will result in greater braking power for a given pedal pressure, but the pedal will travel further. If you want less force to the pedal, you will want a small MC bore and a large wheel cylinder bore.

But a bit of a balance is needed. If you have too small a bore in your MC, you'll have difficulty adjusting the brakes properly - there will be too much pedal travel.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:20 am 
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Irish Yobbo wrote:
But a bit of a balance is needed. If you have too small a bore in your MC, you'll have difficulty adjusting the brakes properly - there will be too much pedal travel.


I couldn't imagine there would be that much travel that the smaller rear cylinders I'm putting in would start working before the fronts do. And then there is the force limiting valve (which actually works in my car) to stop the rears locking up. Or is there something I'm missing here?

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I am thinking about fitting disks, do I need to fit a booster? The drum brakes need plenty of pedal pressure to stop, surely the disks can't be worse.


disc brakes are worse, and require a lot more effort for the same stopping power.


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No booster on discs...

But when installing discs on a late Mk III Canadian Mini with twin leading shoe front drum brakes, the rear wheel cylinders must be swapped out for 0.625" bore cylinders to prevent rear wheel lockup and ends swapping...ask me how we know.

Brake system components may be different on Australian Minis. Our Mk III Mini 1000s had dual brake master cylinders with front/rear separation.

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No booster on discs...

But when installing discs on a late Mk III Canadian Mini with twin leading shoe front drum brakes, the rear wheel cylinders must be swapped out for 0.625" bore cylinders to prevent rear wheel lockup and ends swapping...ask me how we know.

Brake system components may be different on Australian Minis. Our Mk III Mini 1000s had dual brake master cylinders with front/rear separation.


This is true. Fit 'Cooper S' rear wheel cylinders.

Changing the master cylinder is not needed, unless you think it's a bit had-it.

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Irish Yobbo wrote:
But a bit of a balance is needed. If you have too small a bore in your MC, you'll have difficulty adjusting the brakes properly - there will be too much pedal travel.


I couldn't imagine there would be that much travel that the smaller rear cylinders I'm putting in would start working before the fronts do. And then there is the force limiting valve (which actually works in my car) to stop the rears locking up. Or is there something I'm missing here?


The smaller rear cylinders are to lower the braking power at the back. Discs actually need more hydraulic pressure than drums - if you don't change the rear cylinders, the back brakes will lock up before the front.

The limiting valve only restricts the pressure once you are braking hard. It's sort of like a cut-off valve, once the pressure reaches a certain level, the valve will stop it from going (much) higher. So this shouldn't change your pedal pressure. Is this the 5-way valve mounted on the bulkhead?

Just remember that fitting discs will NOT give you a lighter pedal - infact, it will do just the opposite! Because there is more braking surface on drums, the require less pressure, but since the surface is always in contact, they suffer badly from brake fade.


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