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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:26 pm 
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just a small clarification Victorian CPS is NOT a registration it is a permit to drive an unregistered car up to 90 days per year under strict conditions
1 must be roadworthy
2 must be a financial member of an affiliated club (either CAMS or AOMC)
3 logbook must be filled out before you move off
4 must be 25 years or older
anything else refer to learned gentle men (Pottsy )

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:49 pm 
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frednutz&co wrote:
just a small clarification Victorian CPS is NOT a registration it is a permit to drive an unregistered car up to 90 days per year under strict conditions
1 must be roadworthy
2 must be a financial member of an affiliated club (either CAMS or AOMC)
3 logbook must be filled out before you move off
4 must be 25 years or older
anything else refer to learned gentle men (Pottsy )

A quick clarification on the above.

The ONLY affiliation a car club need have to give its members access to the Club Permit Scheme in Victoria is with VicRoads themselves.

There is an application process for a club to be accepted by VicRoads and (IMHO) the threshhold is somewhat too low. However it is what it is. :roll: CAMS and/or AOMC affiliation is completely irrelevant these days.

There are also additional requirements to those as per the bullet points above if your car is modified from original (i.e. engineering certifications) for cars, trucks and motor cycles seeking access to the scheme from 1 February 2015 onwards.
Switched on clubs like the one I'm customarily a member of are on top of all this and will guide prospective permit holders through the process.
... and yes, Pottsy (and Gordon) are definitely the go-to people on this for the cars most of us here love in Victoria. :!:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:07 pm 
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As the owner of a "pre 89" import on club plates I find this thread interesting.

NSW seems to have a simpler system.

You get an application form that requires details of the owner, the car, certification by the club or a certified examiner that the car is roadworthy (our club requires you to get a Pink Slip) and club certification that the vehicle is eligeable for "conditional registration" (and that the owner is a financial member of the club). You then take your form ..and money:) to the shop front and Robert's your uncle.

Conditional registration is not transferable. If you sell the car the rego lapses and the new owner is responsible for re-registration.

In the case in question, the roadworthy inspector would be responsible for certifying that the vehicle has been correctly identified and the club registrar is responsible for certifying that the car is "eligeable" under the regulations (which are spelled out on the Gov website). It would be up the the owner to convince teh club official that teh car is at least 30 years old adn sunstantially in its as manufactured from (period modifications are acceptable).

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there is actually very little difference from the process you describe, so long as the vehicle is not modified beyond what's allowed (as documented by vicroads)...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:09 pm 
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CAMS and/or AOMC affiliation is completely irrelevant these days.

glad to be corrected

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:48 pm 
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You can also ask Giles now as well, as he has also been appointed CPS official for the VMCI.

Or ask me, I am the CPS official for the Vic & Tas P76 clubs, and I am a licensed RWC tester, and I just so happened to work for NMP/Cooper cars Australia, complying imported Rover Minis. :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:10 pm 
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Just read the carsales ad... It says the car is actually from 1972 but body shell was replaced by a brand new UK shell in 2005 but then it was imported here in 2007 as a personal import.

I don't know where you would stand rego wise as I know we can't legally replace the body of the car but is that null and void as it was imported after that was done? It all sounds like too much of a headache when you could buy many other great minis for $17k.


Add my two cents worth............
If the vehicle is a genuine Personal Import it does not have to meed any ADR's.
The Compliance Plate authority is issued by the complying officer to determine that the vehicle meets basic safety standards. Personal Import authority is given irrespective of vehicle age.

I'm guessing the loop hole exploited here is that the vehicle was PI'd and may, or may not, have been declared as re-bodied. (The application doesn't ask or restrict).
(Have you owned the vehicle o/seas for more than 12 months? Were you o/seas for more than 12 months?)
So it gets into Oz and Complianced as basically 'safe'.
Next step is a Roadworthy, then rego. When applying for the CPS the owner then states "hey it's over 25 years old" and gets a CPS without stating anything about it being rebodied.
A genuine loophole?
Nothing illegal about any of the above steps.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:46 pm 
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ba_dm_tsh wrote:
Just read the carsales ad... It says the car is actually from 1972 but body shell was replaced by a brand new UK shell in 2005 but then it was imported here in 2007 as a personal import.

I don't know where you would stand rego wise as I know we can't legally replace the body of the car but is that null and void as it was imported after that was done? It all sounds like too much of a headache when you could buy many other great minis for $17k.


Add my two cents worth............
If the vehicle is a genuine Personal Import it does not have to meed any ADR's.
The Compliance Plate authority is issued by the complying officer to determine that the vehicle meets basic safety standards. Personal Import authority is given irrespective of vehicle age.

I'm guessing the loop hole exploited here is that the vehicle was PI'd and may, or may not, have been declared as re-bodied. (The application doesn't ask or restrict).
(Have you owned the vehicle o/seas for more than 12 months? Were you o/seas for more than 12 months?)
So it gets into Oz and Complianced as basically 'safe'.
Next step is a Roadworthy, then rego. When applying for the CPS the owner then states "hey it's over 25 years old" and gets a CPS without stating anything about it being rebodied.
A genuine loophole?
Nothing illegal about any of the above steps.


I think Bob is correct. Personally I'd take the fact that it's been rebuilt using a new heritage shell as a plus point. It's more likely to have been assembled with attention to rust prevention than Leyland/Rover ever did! If it's been done legally overseas it should not be a problem when the car reaches here as a PI.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:38 pm 
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Except heritage shells are not made to Japanese specifications.......


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:46 pm 
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Nothing major that can't be changed, unless I am missing something.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:39 pm 
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To me it looks like a 90s Japanese spec Mini with an early ID plate. I can't see anything on it that looks earlier.

It would be really easy to prove one way or another.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:53 am 
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It is missing the body number plate (spot welded) on the slam panel so I'm not discounting that it may have been re bodied at some point.

If it's a personal import and it's all above board then great. I still stand by my statement that there are many other minis around for $17k that are probably less of a hassle to rego, etc...

All that said, if someone is going to go and buy it then I would still hope they would actually physically inspect it so they can properly assess its condition and validity for registration. Then they can post here to put all the speculation to rest :-)


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:38 am 
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check this link out and see how much trouble I had with obtaining my CPS plates the correct way, when I had an import,
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82635&start=15

alls well that ends well. It is still a good read and laugh.

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