That's how I remember the 78 mini working, but I don't remember that the stalk had a spring loaded "flashing" position? I'm sure if I realized it did I would have tried to make it work!

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68 Morris Cooper S Mk1 (*ex 78 1275 LS 4th last built, 70 Morris 1500 OHC & 70 MiniMatic)

John Smidt thinks there was a stalk on later Clubmans that didn't have the pull-back flash facility (regardless of wires being cut) so you may be right.


Getting back to the original question, there are quite a few different version of the Lucas 119SA switch we are talking about here. They should have Lucas England embossed on the body.

The original type for the MK II Mini range from 1969, including Cooper S, was BMC part number 13H4543, which is Lucas part number 35840. It has bullet connectors. See photo below.

The later version that is the same style and has the same functionality and was used in the Mini Clubman range is 13H7779, Lucas 39719. This one has a multi-plug instead of bullet connectors. Most Mini parts suppliers sell this one for use in all MK II Minis and Clubmans. You can remove the multi-plug and install bullet connectors, or install a multi-plug on the existing wiring loom so no change is needed to the switch.

http://minikingdomonline.com.au/product ... -assembly/

http://minisport.com.au/mini-indicator- ... d-etc-sale

Minisport also sell a modified version with bullet connectors, at extra cost:

http://minisport.com.au/mini-indicator- ... -kacoopers

Other Mini parts suppliers may sell them too so shop around.

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ex-NSW Police 1970 MK II Cooper S
VMCI #43

Thanks Doug
Do we know what wires are cut and where?
Rod

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1967 New British Racing Green Mk1 Cooper S, 1967 Lake Green 1275 MG Midget, 1969 Jet Red / Crystal White Mk2 Cooper S, 1972 Gambier Turquoise Clubman GT (ex police), 1972 Camino Gold Clubman GT, 2009 JCW Challenge Edition, Megane RS265, Clio RS220.

My 74 has the original stalk and it don't have the pull back flash don't have the wire for it either

but the ones you buy new today has the wire for it I think you put that wire to the fuse box to get it going

The new ones I've seen in parts shops here have spade connections like the originals all you do is use the old connector and pull and push in the same colour wires until your left with one wire which is the flash wire

Also the original ones are a longer arm and the new ones are a shorter arm

Id say these stalks were used when the adrs came in for automatic blinker stop after turning if there was a adr for that I haven't seen inside a old round nose type to see if it has that function

The old ones (with the green light on the end) cancel automatically too if they are working correctly.

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68 Morris Cooper S Mk1 (*ex 78 1275 LS 4th last built, 70 Morris 1500 OHC & 70 MiniMatic)

I was not aware of the cut flasher h/beam wires until I pulled the steering column apart on the weekend of my March'70 Mk2 Cooper S resto. I though someone had butchered it.
My first Mk2, puchased off the original owner in 1976, had a functioning flasher stork , no dip switch and no hole in the carpets for one ( I still have the original front carpet). From the Mk2 register, it is a Oct'69 car. My current resto (March'70build) has a dip switch, front carpet with hole to suit and cut wires on the stork.
Just a couple of questions for the many learned people on this site, 1. when did they start cutting the wires and modifying the carpet ? and 2. do I leave it with the cut wires or make it functional (and is it then not "original") ?
I should add, the restoration body/interior wise will be as close as I can get it, with some period liberties taken with the mechanicals - though nothing will be done that can't be easily and correctly reversed.

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1970 Mk2 Cooper S under restoration

I installed a 1970 Mini K indicator device on my '67 Deluxe, same one as pictured above. I use the original floor dip switch hidden under the carpet to operate the electric fuel pump ....



Edited so it made sense...!

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67 Deluxe
Dry suspension
1293cc, 11:1 comp, RE 282 camshaft, 45 Weber, extractors etc
4 synchro close ratio gbox
Cooper S brakes, no booster
Stealth box, as Doc says "goes harder and idles!"
RH tank cos I needed it crossing the Nullarbor etc..

Rod - apologies for the delay in responding.

Here's the engineering drawing for the rework that involved cutting the headlight flash wire (the purple one).

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ex-NSW Police 1970 MK II Cooper S
VMCI #43

According to the engineering drawing for the switch a chrome plated knob was used initially, then an amendment on 26/8/71 to replace it with "black ABS cap - Lucas part 54341221)".

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ex-NSW Police 1970 MK II Cooper S
VMCI #43

That's interesting and somewhat strange your first MK II had no dip switch. My Sept 1970 MK II S has the switch on the floor, and the parts books show the switch continuing through round-nose Mini production.

If you still have access to your first MK II can you check if the mounting holes for the switch are there?

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ex-NSW Police 1970 MK II Cooper S
VMCI #43

Thanks

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1967 New British Racing Green Mk1 Cooper S, 1967 Lake Green 1275 MG Midget, 1969 Jet Red / Crystal White Mk2 Cooper S, 1972 Gambier Turquoise Clubman GT (ex police), 1972 Camino Gold Clubman GT, 2009 JCW Challenge Edition, Megane RS265, Clio RS220.

Sorry, the first car was sold in 1984, and I don't know its history since then. But I know the original number plate is still in circulation as I can't get the plate as a prestige plate. It was originally owned by a very fastidious mechanic, so I don't think he would have changed the carpet (the car was immaculate), but maybe the stork which did flash. I did think it was a bit strange being a Oct'69 build car and not being sold until Nov'70 - I do still have the original owners manual and particulars (the said mechanic which I still catch up with occasionally)

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1970 Mk2 Cooper S under restoration

My current Mk2 had the purple, blue/white, blue/red and blue cut at the stork terminals and also at the start of the insulation tape binding all the wires together (segment of wire missing).

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1970 Mk2 Cooper S under restoration

Would that (cut) purple cable supply power to the horn/indicator switch so that it could be used like a modern car, to flash main beam even if the headlight switch is not turned on - like the horn and courtesy light?

Yep from what I can see the purple feeds through to high beam via a separate switch on the stalk when its pulled towards you. Presumably comes off +12V somewhere..the current would be 10 amps or so.