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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:53 am 
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+1 to davem


He may not want to swap it out as that may be the original rack for his car. I rebuilt mine a few months ago specifically for that reason, one less original part if I was to swap it out.

Could always ask John to rebuild his if the original rack is that important.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:32 pm 
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Don't agree with using grease only. The rack is designed to have the oil flow back and forth lubricating everything as it goes. Grease will not lubricate the rod ends, the part that wears the most. Just saying.


I used to think the same, but now not so sure, Rolls Royce and Bentley use a "grease" now...which may be able to flow like an oil...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:18 pm 
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Semi fluid rack grease should be OK. But the grease Leyland used when they changed from oil was too thick. The rack used to cut a track through it, then bits got no more lube. Often when old greased racks are stripped the bearings etc are rusted. Not so with oiled racks.

Cam Gears (the rack's Sydney maker) always recommended oil, it was Leyland's idea to go to grease.
According to one of the members here, who used to work for Cam Gears.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:23 am 
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I'll self identify as the ex-employee of Cam Gears (TRW Products).

Yes, oil is the correct lubricant, the original oil was about 140 weight (about the consistency of honey kept in the cupboard). In an Australian mini rack always use oil.

In the last 20-30 years, many steering rack manufacturers have moved from oil to grease in steering racks. Grease is now able to be used in racks because the inner ball joints (joints at the rack ends) have changed from metal to metal ball and cup designs to encapsulated designs where the tie rod ball moves within a plastic bearing, which is lubricated on assembly and does not require any more lubrication. This is the same technology used so that modern vehicles have suspension ball joints but no grease nipples.

We would give the back of the rack a wipe of STP engine lube where the yoke rubs, but that was more about initial lubrication and generating a consistent pinion rotating torque for production reasons, rather than any long lasting effects.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:48 pm 
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I kind of think it is wise, unless you are an engineer, to go with the original lubrication specified by the manufacturer. Same with engine oil.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:50 pm 
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I'll self identify as the ex-employee of Cam Gears (TRW Products).

Yes, oil is the correct lubricant, the original oil was about 140 weight (about the consistency of honey kept in the cupboard). In an Australian mini rack always use oil.

Expert opinions and advice is always welcomed on Ausmini.

diecast - are you able to recommend specific brands and weights of oil to use in the rack? Would help those who just want to buy a suitable product and don't have a good understanding of lubricant properties.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:57 pm 
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Thick gear oil is what you want. I fill it with similar stuff to this:

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online ... mendations

Haven't had issues in 12 years.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:26 am 
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diecast wrote:
I'll self identify as the ex-employee of Cam Gears (TRW Products).

Yes, oil is the correct lubricant, the original oil was about 140 weight (about the consistency of honey kept in the cupboard). In an Australian mini rack always use oil.

In the last 20-30 years, many steering rack manufacturers have moved from oil to grease in steering racks. Grease is now able to be used in racks because the inner ball joints (joints at the rack ends) have changed from metal to metal ball and cup designs to encapsulated designs where the tie rod ball moves within a plastic bearing, which is lubricated on assembly and does not require any more lubrication. This is the same technology used so that modern vehicles have suspension ball joints but no grease nipples.

We would give the back of the rack a wipe of STP engine lube where the yoke rubs, but that was more about initial lubrication and generating a consistent pinion rotating torque for production reasons, rather than any long lasting effects.


Thanks for the insider advice diecast...

My problem is, that I know manufacturing in the 1960s - 1980s was often seat of the pants stuff and with cost always in mind (NOT saying Cam Gears were cheap or cut corners for price and I have no eye deer how competent the technical staff were)...but a lot did cut corners in those days...and guess what? I think the Chinese must have been watching because they (in some cases) have taken lack of quality and cheap to a whole new (dangerous) level!

Similarly, the range and quality of consumer lubricants (as opposed to high end MIL Spec and Aerospace say) available in those days was limited and varied. Just look at the leaps and bounds the humble engine oil has achieved in the last 20 years.

Therefore...I have an open mind.
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