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 Post subject: Re: Mini Fluids
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:56 pm 
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I have assembled all the brake components on my car using PBR brake grease although I haven't put any fluid through the system yet. If I now use DOT 5 silicone fluid in the system, will there be a problem with the PBR brake grease already on seals, etc?


I have not used it.. but friends who have are not that keen. DOT 5 fluid does not absorb water but is prone to retaining air... You need to be very careful when filling the system (and bleeding) to ensure you don't introduce (very small) bubbles. Most people i have spoken to complain about a spongy pedal... that they aren't able to get rid of.

My observation is that its good for cars that sit around and are unused for protracted periods. It does protect the system from the consequences of sitting around ...and doesn't eat paint... The down side seems to be a lesser level of braking performance......

Yer pays yer money and takes yer chances...

Cheers, Ian

Good to know. Thanks for airing your experiences.

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 Post subject: Re: Mini Fluids
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:27 pm 
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I have had DOT 5 in an MGBGT for a number of years now. No noticeable deterioration in braking performance or spongy pedal as I was advised I would experience before I used it. I had a completely new braking system that had not had DOT 4 in previously. My understanding is this is what is recommended.

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 Post subject: Re: Mini Fluids
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:36 pm 
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1071 S wrote:
Bill B wrote:
I have assembled all the brake components on my car using PBR brake grease although I haven't put any fluid through the system yet. If I now use DOT 5 silicone fluid in the system, will there be a problem with the PBR brake grease already on seals, etc?


I have not used it.. but friends who have are not that keen. DOT 5 fluid does not absorb water but is prone to retaining air... You need to be very careful when filling the system (and bleeding) to ensure you don't introduce (very small) bubbles. Most people i have spoken to complain about a spongy pedal... that they aren't able to get rid of.

My observation is that its good for cars that sit around and are unused for protracted periods. It does protect the system from the consequences of sitting around ...and doesn't eat paint... The down side seems to be a lesser level of braking performance......

Yer pays yer money and takes yer chances...

Cheers, Ian

Thanks for the information, Ian.
Those comments were made about silicone brake fluid when it turned up 30-odd years ago.
Will stick with the conventional stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Mini Fluids
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:42 pm 
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SlipperyGypsy wrote:
I guess i will post here before i make a new thread.
The time has come for a first fill up of petrol what type should i go for and do i need to add anything to it?
Thanks for the help


Try whatever you want to use to start with and experiment with the alternatives to see how your car responds.
I use 98 especially in summer when 'pinging' can occur. Used to add upper cylinder lubricant with each tank but have become lazy and it doesn't seem to make much difference - as some on here have also found.


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 Post subject: Re: Mini Fluids
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:42 pm 
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Bill B wrote:
SlipperyGypsy wrote:
I guess i will post here before i make a new thread.
The time has come for a first fill up of petrol what type should i go for and do i need to add anything to it?
Thanks for the help


Try whatever you want to use to start with and experiment with the alternatives to see how your car responds.
I use 98 especially in summer when 'pinging' can occur. Used to add upper cylinder lubricant with each tank but have become lazy and it doesn't seem to make much difference - as some on here have also found.


Thanks for your input i just wasnt sure if i had to use any additives. Not using them gets rid of alot of hassle, I will try straight 98 for now. I dont know whats in the tank right now but would different mixtures of fuel maybe make more smoke out the back?
On start up the car is very smokey but it dies down once it gets going. When i rev the engine it smokes a bit but noting too bad.

Could this be caused by petrol that is old and the wrong mixture?
Or is it something more serious?


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 Post subject: Re: Mini Fluids
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:52 pm 
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SlipperyGypsy wrote:
I guess i will post here before i make a new thread.
The time has come for a first fill up of petrol what type should i go for and do i need to add anything to it?
Thanks for the help


You do say petrol, so it really depends on compression ratio.
I have a standard compression 1100S (about 8.4:1) and was told to use 91 octane as it has a slower burn which suits lower compression engines better than higher octane. I had been using 98 but it does seem to run better on 91.
I also put Flash Lube in the tank to protect against valve recession. Some say it's not necessary but what the hell, it's only a few cents each fill and I have peace of mind. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Mini Fluids
PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:16 pm 
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SlipperyGypsy wrote:

Thanks for your input i just wasnt sure if i had to use any additives. Not using them gets rid of alot of hassle, I will try straight 98 for now. I dont know whats in the tank right now but would different mixtures of fuel maybe make more smoke out the back?
On start up the car is very smokey but it dies down once it gets going. When i rev the engine it smokes a bit but noting too bad.

Could this be caused by petrol that is old and the wrong mixture?
Or is it something more serious?


"Smoke out the back" on start-up is oil sneaking down the inlet valve stems while the motor is off and is burnt when you start-up. It is not from the petrol.
It might be that the valve guides in the head have worn and are allowing oil to sneak into the cylinder head.
You might have to remove the cylinder head and have it "serviced": usually "K" sleeves fitted to the existing valve guides to correct wear and oil leak.
A good engine rebuild company should be able to do this for you.


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 Post subject: Re: Mini Fluids
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:11 am 
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Wot they said...

http://www.mossmotors.com/SiteGraphics/ ... page1.html

http://www.britcycle.com/Manuals/DOT5.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Mini Fluids
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:37 am 
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If rebuilding the head I would fit Viton seals to the inlets. The seals that usually come in gasket kits now are PVC and go hard in a few years. Viton ones don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Mini Fluids
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:00 pm 
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Bill B wrote:
"Smoke out the back" on start-up is oil sneaking down the inlet valve stems while the motor is off and is burnt when you start-up. It is not from the petrol. It might be that the valve guides in the head have worn and are allowing oil to sneak into the cylinder head.


OR it can be brake fluid finding its way into your Brake Booster if it draws vacuum form the inlet manifold (White Smoke) :D

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