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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:21 pm 
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Sorry that I am jumping in here late and i have only skimmed the all the above posts but all I have read so far is that you've replaced the master cylinder and slave. What about the rest of the system?

It's the wheel cylinders that are the first to go. Plus have you checked the condition of the brake pipes? after 30yrs they do go hard and leak/not seal properly.

if you have bleed them many times there should not be enough air in there to effect the brakes that much. If there is no pedal after adjustment and bleeding I would say there somewhere in the system something is not sealing correctly and/or still letting in air.

Replacing some of the bits is not enough IMO, you have to do the lot... New wheel cylinders, pipes, shoes and springs


good points, may be the flexible lines perished inside and are ballooning until they have stretched out. you *could* put a pair of vice grips on each flexible line in turn and check the pedal pressure to isolate each brake from the system, might point to which wheel is taking the pressure of the first pump... likewise you can put a bleeder in either exit arm of the T piece on the firewall to isolate the front & rear.... put a bleeder in the top of the master cylinder to make sure it isn't leaking inside...

I've done all of these things + what everyone else has suggested to isolate problems, usually turns out to be something stupid I (or someone else) messed up


I reckon it's time to take it and see a doctor

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Tru, we tried for a week and a half and nothing (all with new parts) took it to our friends garage. Was on the road with brakes the same day we dropt it off.


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I am having the exact same trouble all new wheel cylinders, master cylinder overhauled, prop valve overhauled ($$$), etc and no mater what can't get pressure. And is also the only thing I need to finish for roadworthy.

AZNPRIDE who did you take it to to get yours fixed? Also in Brisbane and need this help.

Just want to get it on the road and drive the thing!

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I am also having problems with my brakes. (on my bro's mini)
The first time they went it blew the top off the plastic master cylinder that is on there...
So my bro took it to a mechanic, he said it was the master cylinder so he rebuit that, then away we went.. Didnt even make it home before it blew the lid off the master cylinder again, and i live about 300m away from this so called mechanic. So its definatly not goin back there, i just got to find time to take a look at it..
Any one ever had this problem before?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:23 pm 
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A number of things to consider.

1. Did you fit new brake shoes? If so did you have the shoes radius ground to suit the drums? Have you fitted the shoes correctly? They have to go in a certain way to ensure that all 4 front shoes are leading and 2 rear shoes are leading and 2 are trailing. If you don't have 2 trailing shoes at the rear then not much braking in reverse. If they haven't been radius ground then they won't match the drums and until they wear/bed in you won't have full shoe and drum contact and you will have excessive pedal travel.

2. When bleeding the rear brakes do NOT press the brake pedal down quickly. If you do you will cause the rear pressure limiting valve to operate and no fluid and air will be pushed out the rear bleed nipples.

3. I'm no expert on front twin leading shoe drum brakes but often air is trapped in the connecting pipe between the 2 wheel cylinders and it can be a PIA to get it out. DRMINI suggests that you loosen off the interconnecting pipe at the wheel cylinder that doesn't have the brake hose connected to it and pump the pedal and you will quite often get air out that was trapped in the interconnecting pipe. Another poster on the Minimania board takes the shoes off and puts clamps on the the wheel cylinders to keep the pistons from moving when he bleeds the brakes.

4. Make sure the brake master cylinder is fitted with a residual pressure valve. This is a plastic valve thingy that goes in the bottom of the master cylinder before you fit the big spring, piston etc. If you don't have this in place you can get air into the system via the wheel cylinders. The valve maintains a slight pressure in the system when the brakes are off to ensure the wheel cylinder seals are always expanded.
(Despite what others may say you also need them on cars fitted with front discs and rear drums and a single master cylinder)

5. Did you fit new shoe return springs? If they are weak the shoes may not retract properly.

6. Is the handbrake working and adjusted properly? Make sure the pivots on the trailing arms are not seized- pretty common, and that the cables move freely through the bend on the rear subframe front inner corners.

7. Adjust the shoes so that they are hard against the drums. You shouldn't be able to move the drums at all. Then back off the adjuster until the drum can be just moved by hand. Check for oval drums by seeing if the resistance to hand turning varies. All drums have a slight amount of ovality but the resistance should be fairly constant. Finally adjust so that you have slight rubbing contact all the time. As the brakes warm up the drum will expand and the rubbing will disappear and eventually the shoes will wear to match the drums.

8. Bleed the brakes in the following order so that the wheel cylinder furthest away from the master cylinder is bled first. LR, RR, LF, RF. If you don't do this then air can remain trapped in the system

If you have excessive brake pedal travel but the pedal is not spongy you have an adjustment problem of one form or another. The excess travel is caused by the brake shoes having to travel too far before they contact the drum.
If the pedal is spongy you have air in the system somewhere.

You shouldn't have much more than 1" to 2" of pedal travel before the brakes are fully applied.

The usual disclaimers apply. If in doubt take it to a brake place.

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wow that last last post by miniron should be in a brake tech article i reckon


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