Let's face it we all love an expensive, unreliable, noisy, smelly, 50 year old design car. Rationality doesn't really come into it here. Touchy feely stuff like personal preference and aesthetics does.



See there is your problem: equal weighting.

If one of the hyperthetical Clubman cons was "wheels fall off & the car catches on fire every time you drive it", but the counter balancing pro was "more room in engine bay", no one would consider it a good car.

All pro & cons are not created equal.

The fuglyness of the clubby front end certainly weights more highly that "more room in the engine bay" for me

[seriously, some clubbies look good, most don't]

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"Life is not like a box of chocolates... it's more like a jar of jalapenos. Whatever you do today, may burn your arse tomorrow."

but you're forgetting one thing...



Clubbies smell like poo poo bums.......

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i think theres oly one suitable response to this thread...

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78 Leyland Mini - Prince

that's hardly a drawback...my deluxe never went for more than 30mins without breaking down and so ya never noticed the bad seating...therefore that's really a mute point

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Bling me up Scotty!
"wait till it grows into a plant...then bunny rabbit THE PLANT!"

1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE

here's a pro for ya...roundnoses would probably be SLIGHTLY more aerodynamic than the clubman...maybe...i dunno...its rounder therefore more performance!

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Bling me up Scotty!
"wait till it grows into a plant...then bunny rabbit THE PLANT!"

1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE

Hmmm... maybe not. In Modern Motor's road tests, the Clubby GT was near 2MPH faster than the Cooper S was.
GT got 98MPH both directions, Cooper S got 97.2 one way, average 96.1.
As reprinted in Pedr Davis's Mini Minor Downunder book.

Mk2 S and Clubby GT were identical mechanically.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

bah...i refuse to believe it its blasphemy damnit BLASPHEMY!!!!
i can explain that...the clubman is less aerodynamic on the back coz of the square lights right...and so there was a slight tailwind during the run of the clubman and the slight aerodynamic inefficiency caused by said square taillights caused the clubman to go faster as it was being pushed along by the breeze!!! EUREKA!

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Bling me up Scotty!
"wait till it grows into a plant...then bunny rabbit THE PLANT!"

1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE

Doesn't particularly bother me, now I can get nearly that in 3rd gear... I could with the 3.44 diff.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

But the GT had a weight advantage after the rust fell out.

its a combination really...square lights + tailwind + lighter coz of rust fallout = faster time...its all in the maths
plus the guy who drove them probably liked clubmans more...and so drove it harder

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Bling me up Scotty!
"wait till it grows into a plant...then bunny rabbit THE PLANT!"

1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE

or maybe the driver took a HUGE dump between runs...and that drastically improved the power to weight ratio of the clubman (which was run 2nd coz he was saving the best till last coz he was a clubman lover as previously stated)...

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Bling me up Scotty!
"wait till it grows into a plant...then bunny rabbit THE PLANT!"

1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE

Rolling around the floor...

please stop...

I can't take any more...

My sides are split...

and my kids think I have really lost the plot...

i think clubbies are a superior car because:

much much much easier to work on,
more thicky padded cloth/velour high back seats that fold forward to allow rear axs
vinyl trim on the interior bodywork
retractable inertia seatbelts
rear seat belts
carpet as standard
heater with fan, adjustable settings hot/cold/warm, screen/car standard on all models with fresh air intake and demist on both sides of the windscreen
two speed wipers
pot joints rather than uni joints
rattle free rod change gearshift with lift for reverse

steering column lock with accessory setting
direction indicator warning lights on dash
water temperature guage
tachometer standard on most models
radio as standard on most models
trimmed padded dashboard
seats dont lift forward in a crash
park brake light and brake fail light fitted to some models
remote bonnet release

adjustable dash illumination switch
electric windscreen washer
larger clutch and brake pedals
padded steering wheel
larger gear knob
twist on oil filter
alternator and negative earth
larger front and rear running/brake/indicator lamps

optional fog/driving lamps,
heated rear window,
tinted windows
dual horns
radial tyres
alloy wheels
halogen headlights

in finishing it is my opinion that the roundnose version and especially the immortal cooper S is a more beautiful and classic car

yeah i actually thought that was pretty dangerous when i first got my mini...

lesson is: dont crash yer roundnose atleast not headon

all the other stuff just weighs ya down

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Bling me up Scotty!
"wait till it grows into a plant...then bunny rabbit THE PLANT!"

1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE

Don't worry- the seatbelt will hold both you, and the puny seat securely.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.