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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:07 am 
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The last time I raced at Bathurst the entry fee was $250.
So six years later it costs a lot more to get a parade lap.
When you look at the extras like tickets, dinner, parking, museum entry etc.. it would not be too bad.

Anyway, I was looking at the list of cars and I see that the 1100 is eligible..... Doesn't say which 1100 though!

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Ah Yes Morris 1100....we knew someone would state the obvious!!
Primarily we would love to see all products on display at the event including Mokes etc......

It's quite interesting you say it was only $250 last time you competed at Mount Panorama - second tier level entry this year is $2500 (and thats subsidised!) normal entry is between $6800 and $9000 dependant on how many other rounds you are doing.....

After all the initial ups and downs of posting on this forum we have had a great response and we must say if people are wanting to know whether their car fits the criteria, again, we ask you to read the overview, then email us with pics of the car
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With so many people unsure on what we are wanting, like most things in life - go directly to the source, don't get caught up in the opions of those ill informed.
I've already confirmed 8 cars in the last 3 days......and many more to come apart from people who we know aren't online.
Passion for the Mini is something you all have, but i might say from experience particularly those people who travel the furtherest like WA and North Queensland we take our hats off to you as its not often you get to drive your car on that track on that day in October. It takes all types and if you own a Mini and enjoy the heritage of Bathurst then remember its the destination and the journey - you'll meet many people from all over during the event which will then become lifelong friends, and thats what owning a Mini is all about from the events point of view.


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Well folks, I'm 100% behind Todd on this event.

$330 for the event (that's just $165 per person) - peanuts, when you look at what you get.

General entry for four days for the regular punter is $100. For $65 more you get general entry for the full 4 days, not jus the sunday, entry to museum (that's gotta be around $15 normally), dinner, BBQ, show 'n' shine, memorabillia, and something that money can't buy - the memories.

OK, track time is not guaranteed, but the rest of the event alone is worth what is being charged. And, as Todd said, they haven't not had their lap in the past 5 years, so the odds are pretty good.

Don't begrudge Todd for making money out of Minis. Do you begrudge Graham Russell for making money out of Minis, or me for making money (not anywhere enough) out of a Mini magazine? I certainly hope not.

It seems the main people who are negative to this event are the people who were trying to organise something for the NSWMCC. Well, as has already been pointed out, AVESCO is in motorsport to make money. That's the facts of life these days. Accept it. Don't be negative to an event which is promoting the Mini to a wider audience, just because they succeeded where you didn't.

I should point out that Todd approached me late last year about this event and I approached the NSWMCC and suggested it would be in their interest to contact Todd and work together on making the event a success. If they didn't do that, they can then hardly complain that Todd has gone and organised the event as he has.

I take my hat off to Todd. Yes, he stands to make some money out of the event. BUT, it is a high-risk venture. Who on Ausmini would be prepared to take the chance of organising an event of this magnitude, to guarantee to get enough cars for the parade lap, and put his money where his mouth is? Frankly, I expected it to be dearer than this (that doesn't mean you should put the price up, Todd).

I will certainly be there. My Mini van is not eligable for the Lap. Too bad. I'll just bung in with someone else for the Lap, as each car is allowed to take 4 people. Hands up who wants to give me a lift on the day.

For those who don't go, read about it in The Mini Experience (and regret not going for the next 40 years).

Cheers, Watto.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:52 pm 
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I've already confirmed 8 cars in the last 3 days......and many more to come apart from people who we know aren't online.
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Make that 9 mine was posted this afternoon ( can I be number 16 ,Todd, Winning Bathurst car number)
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well said Watto!
The missus aint letting me fly back from London for it still, but i'm working on her.


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I should point out that Todd approached me late last year about this event and I approached the NSWMCC and suggested it would be in their interest to contact Todd and work together on making the event a success. If they didn't do that, they can then hardly complain that Todd has gone and organised the event as he has.


Maybe Craig, just maybe, Todd should have approached the MCCNSW himself along with every other mini club including Ausmini himself directly rather than thru your good self, explaining to them he is the rights holder organising the event and welcoming input from them. Not saying that you couldn't do it Craig but personal contact is what makes car scenes work.
I am not on committee and am only a member so i don't know what is going on, but all i have heard is resistence from AVESCO and no information from them about this extra event that Todd is organising. If this is untrue I apologies. I personally understand that the world revolves around money and that $330 for a weekends entertainment is reasonable. BUT I won't be going as in my book, Paying for things like that is not what the mini scene is all about. It is about the people, and the little car. Your comments re. making money from the mini scene and the various people that do is valid, but an historic event like this particular anniversary shouldn't be exploited. Just my opinion and i don't want people shooting me down in flames because i have one. Sorry Craig and Todd in this case i and it seems others disagree.

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Maybe Craig, just maybe, Todd should have approached the MCCNSW himself along with every other mini club including Ausmini himself directly rather than thru your good self, explaining to them he is the rights holder organising the event and welcoming input from them. Not saying that you couldn't do it Craig but personal contact is what makes car scenes work.
I am not on committee and am only a member so i don't know what is going on, but all i have heard is resistence from AVESCO and no information from them about this extra event that Todd is organising. If this is untrue I apologies. I personally understand that the world revolves around money and that $330 for a weekends entertainment is reasonable. BUT I won't be going as in my book, Paying for things like that is not what the mini scene is all about. It is about the people, and the little car. Your comments re. making money from the mini scene and the various people that do is valid, but an historic event like this particular anniversary shouldn't be exploited. Just my opinion and i don't want people shooting me down in flames because i have one. Sorry Craig and Todd in this case i and it seems others disagree.
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Why does it not surprise me that 9y would do that. :? back

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I'm not speaking for Todd, and I don't know who he contacted in the early days, and who he didn't. The point I made was that the MCCNSW (at least a couple of people) knew about Todd, and the event he was organising, months ago.

I will support any worthwhile event that involves the Mini. I don't understand anybody's objection to the event on the basis that it is a small commercial enterprise, among the vast commercial reality that Bathurst has become. There simply would not have been any other way to have such an event at Bathurst.

Obviously I can't be everywhere, particularly when events clash, but I am making an effort to be at as many Mini events as is humanly possible. To this end I will also be at the MCCNSW's Minis Down Under birthday bash two weeks later. Just a pity it wasn't a week earlier, so I, and other interstate people, could combine the two events into one trip.

Both events should be well worth attending.

I've driven around the Bathurst track about 20 times, but to do it on race day, as part of a convoy of 100 Minis, that would be something special. And if it happens that we don't get on the track, the rest of the weekend will be a great time anyway. You only get out of an event what you put into it. If you come with an open mind and with the Mini and its heritage to celebrate, then the rest will be a bonus.

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the supercar tickets are worth $110 each (thats $220 for both driver and passenger)
BBQ dinners, all the legwork to orgaise it, magnetic signs,

Sounds like not to much money being made

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I don't understand anybody's objection to the event on the basis that it is a small commercial enterprise, among the vast commercial reality that Bathurst has become. There simply would not have been any other way to have such an event at Bathurst.


As i stated Craig, i undertstand fully that this is probably the only way it would happen, BUT for me, I would rather not pay for such an event. I won't harp, but I just wish people would accept that others have an opinion. :wink:

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Watto and Todd,

Without wanting to be hostile, The reason for the discontent you see here is that for most people (myself included), the first we heard of this event was on here. This wouldn't seem so bad, but we (The NSW Mini Club) had been trying to organise a similar event for quite some time. We're not upset with Todd, or the event - but more the fact that we were kept out of the loop. Watto - you say the NSWMCC was approached - do you know who? I am on committee and as far as I know (obviously I can't speak for everyone), nobody had any prior knowledge of this planning.

We were also under the illusion that as our club had organised a similar event in the past, that we would be given a chance this time.

The only thing I did want to pick you up on Todd was something you said in an earlier post
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Bob i'm sure many Mini enthusiasts would agree reading this that you wouldn't work for free
Our club is run completely by volunteers - and there are quite a lot of people who work tirelessly to make events like this happen without any personal gain whatsoever. It's for the love of the cars, and the enjoyment of the people in the scene.

Having said all of what I just said, I have thought about the cost of the event, and for what you get it doesn't seem exorbitant. I addressed our last General Meeting and told everyone there what I knew of the event (which was very little at the time).

Todd, I have been meaning to call you to sort out how the club can become involved but have been extremely busy. Possibly you might be able to make a trip down to address one of our general meetings yourself. I will try and catch up with you in the next week or two.

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I must say i have feelings on this and i wanted to sleep on it before expressing them. It is not an attack on any person here, simply my feelings.

Firstly, mini-ists already put a great deal of money and effort into their cars purely for the sheer enjoyement. Also as stated, the various mini clubs are tirelessly run by volunteers.

$330 dollars IS a substantial amount of money and the tone of the marketing smacks of creating a division between the "haves and the have nots". There well may be value for those who were already going to attend bathurst but essentially it is trying to recruit mini-ists who wouldn't normally attend Bathurst, ask them to bring their historic vehicles AND make them pay to entertain a crowd.

I do actually live reasonably close to Bathurst and would normally give a right arm to participate in this but not at substantial cost to me. I have already given quite some effort for the betterment of the mini marque and the mini club and its members. Somehow, despite all the carefully chosen words, marketing and responses I still feel as though I m the one getting screwed here. Its an uncomfortable feeling and its a real feeling. I sense its also the feeling being felt by other people on here.


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the supercar tickets are worth $110 each (thats $220 for both driver and passenger)
BBQ dinners, all the legwork to orgaise it, magnetic signs,

Sounds like not to much money being made

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Now here in lies the problem :D the tickets cost $110 but in my book are worth about $10 for what they put on

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brett wrote:
the supercar tickets are worth $110 each (thats $220 for both driver and passenger)
BBQ dinners, all the legwork to orgaise it, magnetic signs,

Sounds like not to much money being made

There is no such thing as a free lunch


Now here in lies the problem :D the tickets cost $110 but in my book are worth about $10 for what they put on


Crikey Jon....what happened at Bathurst to make you so agin it :?:

...you get out of Bathurst what you want to....I have been several times ages ago and recently to work....and there is a fairly good buzz about the place (Bathurst township loves it)

AVESCO needs to work on its programming a little more on the Saturdays (the gaps in activity can be a tad boring) and its treatment of support classes....but so what???

Hey :!: Its a spectacle that a lot of people would give their eye teeth to see :D

and....great to see that Minis are being featured this year to celebrate 1966 :D

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feralsprint wrote:
brett wrote:
the supercar tickets are worth $110 each (thats $220 for both driver and passenger)
BBQ dinners, all the legwork to orgaise it, magnetic signs,

Sounds like not to much money being made

There is no such thing as a free lunch


Now here in lies the problem :D the tickets cost $110 but in my book are worth about $10 for what they put on


Crikey Jon....what happened at Bathurst to make you so agin it :?:

...you get out of Bathurst what you want to....I have been several times ages ago and recently to work....and there is a fairly good buzz about the place (Bathurst township loves it)

AVESCO needs to work on its programming a little more on the Saturdays (the gaps in activity can be a tad boring) and its treatment of support classes....but so what???

Hey :!: Its is a spectacle that a lot of people would give their eye teeth to see :D

and....great to see that Minis are being featured this year to celebrate 1966 :D


Mick

Nothing happened except it is no longer a endurance race but a series of short sprints between parade laps behind the pace car, by cars that have no similarity to production models except they happen to look a bit like them. Now lets not forget the fact tha CAMS could not give a crap about the people it is supposed to represent (car clubs and car club members) and bends over and takes it up the $#@^ from a commercial group who dont give a toss about motorsport only there product and treat the classes who also run (or maybe run ) like crap. How about the fact that even using there way of counting crowd sizes they have never had the size of crowds that used to go to Bathurst in the late 70s 80s and just one more thing the racing is crap, but you did ask :D

I have no problem with what this guy is doing I just reckon that with the money certain people make from this event they should be paying us not we paying them ( or at least free for those selected to do a parde lap) as its all part of the entertianment and you can bet that the donut king guys and the other entertianers dont have to pay to be there

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