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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:37 am 
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Here is some help - http://www.hotbricks.org.au/techtips/articles/krpm.txt

There is an MPH version of this too in the technical tips section of http://www.hotbricks.org.au

Looking at the chart, I reckon I'd like to go 3.21 on my next build. But unfortunately for powerful mini's which can handle the long diffs usually are running off-cam on the highway speeds (80 -110kph) so it would sort of defeat the point, as acceleration would be crap off-cam. actaully think 3.44 is good as to overtake from 80-110, if I go third gear from 80 it's right in the power band.

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It is possible to fit the morris 1500 5 speed box gearset into a rod change mini box housing with some bearing mods , but you've got to find a good 1500 5 speed to start with . I should be talking to the guy who did a few about 20 years ago in the next month or so , I'll get back to you with the details .....


Hey Sports, I was just wondering if you ended up getting in contact with this fellow. I have a Morris 1500 5 speed in half decent nick and am looking for more information on this.


Didn't get to but I'll try and get a hold of him soon and get his son's contact details to find out more .

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The whole gear kit from a 5 speed 1500 just won`t fit , without a whole heap of alloy welding & main web re-positioning , major machining etc etc etc major major major undertaking, not saying that it can`t be done, just saying that it would be quite a big job & not that sure it will be worth the effort/time/money.

What i suspect the guys did years ago (7 what i know did actully happen) is they fit the whole morris/maxi 1500/1750 engine into the brick,,, very big,,, very heavy,,, lots of work & in my opinion just not worth the effort

I had actually started to modify a 1750cc rod change maxi power unit & was attemting to make it a 1900cc turbo charged rod change 5 speed, thinking that it wouldn`t be such a bad run around /come customer courtesy car, but it`s just a big heavy lump of poo of a motor.

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Basically it did fit into a rod change gearbox housing , what they (a BMC dealer and his son who from memory was a mechanical engineer/fitter and machinist) did to get it there is what I have to find out but they had them running and performed well .

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Miniman you crack me up! :lol:

I just thought I'd jump in and add some fuel to the fire...

I have been lucky enough to see my Lillee go through several changes to power output as well as a change in engine capacity. When I had the 1152 I ran it with a single 1 1/4SU and std head with probably an output of something like 35hp atw. I then upgraded the head to one of Graham's sexy 295 ported jobs and dellorto total output around 43-45hp atw.

Both times the car was on a 4 synchro box. When it was runnig a single 1 1/4SU it was a struggle to run at highway speeds. It seemed like the engine was about to throw out pistons at 4100rpm/100km. Not to mention going up hills!

With the dellorto and ported head, she breathed a whole lot better and comfortably revved to 4100/100km/h. It seemed like she wanted to rev harder over that, but of course you feel very uncomfortable sitting at 4100 or 4400rpm as the engine seems like it is screaming it's head off. But after 2.5 years the 1152 was still going stron with no major faults at all.

Nowadays I've graduated to 119.7hp at the crank running on a freshly rebuild remote box. Firstly, there is nothing under 2500rpm except spluttering so to run at such low rpms is probably not good for the engine let alone saving it from wear. The new engine really "wants to rev" and this can simply be described as "when it hits 2500, it takes all of about 3 secs to get to 6000rpm in any gear" :lol: .

When running on the freeway in 4th, anything under 2700rpm is almost accedemic for this engine. There's nothing there, it's very sluggish and due to mainly the cam, vibration, splutting you name it. It runs much healthier at 3500 or above and cruises at 4000rpm. It's a much more relaxed feeling at 4000rpm than it was in the 1152 as it doesn't feel like it's even trying.

Both cases I ran a 3.44 diff and I am very happy with it. I think 3.44 is the right diff for a mini with high output as it is a good cruisy high speed diff and gives you good acceleration at the same time.

So my point to all this is that if you are outputting a fair bit of grunt and the engine is well built, it makes very little difference on the highway (which is why we are all talking about a 5spd box/overdrive anyway right?).

Admit I don't do many freeway miles but I would definately not trade in the accelleration for a few more 100rpms on the freeway. The expectation for this engine to last somewhere aroung 50,000 miles before needing attention so divide this by the miles I do a year and it should last me 8-10 years! :lol: I don't suspect that a slightly lower revving engine (say 3800rpm/100kmh) will last a significantly longer time than mine.

Can you imagine 10 years of sluggish take offs?? :shock:

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i cant imagine the engine spulttering out of the powerband at 60kph


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It's not "spluttering" per se, but it's not smooth like it is on the cam. Even on "spluttering" mode it's still pretty quick :wink:

It's hard to explain, you'll have to come for a ride for me to explain it to you. Essentially after 2500 or so it's smooth like it's not even revving, below that it's... lumpier... That was the point I was trying to make above as some of you guys are trying to get to sub 2000 revs on the freeway. I'm like err... not thanks, 4000 is just fine

In the 1330 70km/h feels slow!!!

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Get a shorter diff Chong, my 1360 with bigger cam than yours and bigger carby chokes pulls smooth (albeit slowly) from 50KMH, not a problem. :lol:

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haha I knew you'd say that. No I like 3.44! it's a good diff!

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yeah, that`s "exactly" why i build "BIG" donks,,, but -->with quite mild cams for road use, they pull like a bunch of school boys from any rev, smooth & quiet & idle nice & low without any lumpy crap, run on pump fuel happily & you wouldn`t know it`s such a big donk if you just putter around,,,yet they are still happy to rev out past 7500rpms if need be (of course only if they`re built well) I run a 3.2:1 in my 1510cc roady but as the good Doc says, if you have lumpy phat race/rally type cams then a shorter diff is far better suited & of course even more accelleration comes with that... & of course the freeway/highway revs are increased so a little sanity is sacrificed.

I`d looked at the 1500/maxi 5speed box for quite some time in relation to using the internals for a mini box, but it was a long long time ago & CNC machines & alloy welders were not that easy to come by & not cheap either, so i canned the idea & went for the austin 1800 gear box & put the alloy v8 ontop :-) that`s how long ago it was--> probly like 28 (ish) years ago,,, whew i`m getting old now,,, catching up to the good Doc :-)

Sports850-->My dad might have some info of that fella you`re talking about , i`ll ask him when i`m down there next.

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sub 2000 rpms is ridiculous, if you want that get a v8 auto

i think around the 3000 rpm mark is a nice cruising speed, that is if you're not affected by harmonics


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mine sits on around 3000, 1100 on a 2.76 dont start saying it a pig either. call it a pig if u have been in it. lol

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mine sits on around 3000, 1100 on a 2.76 dont start saying it a pig either. call it a pig if u have been in it. lol

lets not have this disagreement again matt lol

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i thought id throw it in there lol. but really if u do alot of highway kms its the go. if u want revs put it in 3rd then ur doing 100 at about 4000rpm.lol. :P :P :P

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mine just seems like its trying to hard at 100 km/h, like 4000 rpm sounds like its screaming its tits off.. and feels like its hurting the motor.. but correct me if im wrong because i want the confidence in knowing im not going to blow it up... its a standard 1100 with a 1.5 inch su

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