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no i mean you doubt miniwilliams


I apologise. I've been around motorsport for years, HP is the easiest and most influential way to psych out your opposition. I just meant for grant to see what mph he's got now and compare.

When I get back on my feet I'll be doing more events again including a 1/4 mile run. I won't be competing with mini's though, I want a HSV or something to square up with. Even if I don't beat them, they'll be writing cheques the next day to get more power just to be sure.

PS Avgas is illegal on the street, big fine if caught by epa.

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run avgas or even methanol... Runs way cooler and you get way more power too...
Hey maybe methanol is the answer to all those mini overheating problems


Just don't get caught with either on the road :D big fine

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Not for Hp, but safety, #1 - fit an intercooler.

Don't ask what size, it depends on boost and compressor efficiency but the one on my car is off a TX3 or similar (1.8L) sized engine & I've never seen more than 40degC after the cooler, even on a 32degC day at 11-12psi. Since you've got a hole in the bonnet already, a long one behind this would be a good start, putting it behind the grill means moving/cutting alot of bits as I have done and also means that hotter air is going through radiator, but choice is yours.

It will stop the detonation that you can't hear and destroys pistons. Many people don't realise that most detonation on turbocharged engines is not audible, the pressure inside the cylinder reaches a critical level and auto ignition takes place before the piston reaches the top, it usually results in broken ring lands but also holed pistons.

This is different to pinging or hot spot detonation where there are 2 flame fronts colliding and cause the piston to rattle.

Won't help with dyno runs when they don't use a fan though :lol:

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yes well i do have the money for a good custom cooler now, i am still not sure where to put it, i was thinking of replaceing the grill with it. but i am not sure if it will look ok or just plain gaty and ruin the car, so i might even be fitting one in the drivers inner guard. the pipeing would be a little longer but still ok.

if i am lucky I will be able to get either my dad or brother to drive it down to a few places and get quotes and advice.

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yes well i do have the money for a good custom cooler now, i am still not sure where to put it, i was thinking of replaceing the grill with it. but i am not sure if it will look ok or just plain gaty and ruin the car, so i might even be fitting one in the drivers inner guard. the pipeing would be a little longer but still ok.

if i am lucky I will be able to get either my dad or brother to drive it down to a few places and get quotes and advice.

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if i am lucky I will be able to get either my dad or brother to drive it down to a few places and get quotes and advice.

Grant

mate with 170bhp at the fly, i will fly to australia, and drive it to get quotes for you!!! :lol:

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ha ha yes well i am unlucky enough to have had my license suspended, 3 months to go yay

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Hey Grant,

Have read this post before but did not want to comment cause I know nothing about turbos but just wanted to say, go for it! why not? of course you can get more ponies, I know that for sure but from where, sorry can't help you out :P

What about insulating your turbo and intake/exhaust manifold? i hear that's worth a few ponies for relatively cheap on a turbo?

I like the custom intercooler in the grille idea, that could work but it would give you away for sure (not that the cage doesn't already give you away, not so sleeper looking there :lol: ) Maybe you can just put a mesh over the front? or make it so that it fits on the left side of the grille (not much room there I know!)

Anyway told you I'd be no help!!! :oops: :roll:

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try some of the ideas that the F1 engines were using to get high power. I mean come on 1000+hp from 1.5L 8) not that you will ever get it that high with a 3 main crank and the head, as good as GRs is, but their ideas are good. Most of the early F1 turbo engines were 4cyl until Renault came along with the V6.

1st thing is high boost causes high temps in all the wrong places, especially pistons. What about fitting some kind of oil squirter system to squirt oil to the base of the pistons. Many modern lean running NA engines already have oil squirters, so you can perhaps adapt some. all you need is enough supply and somewhere to mount them that does not get swiped by the rods or counter weights - not easy, as you can't lose pressure from the rest of the system when you add these.

The F1 engines actually ran really over rich to help cool the pistons. Look at any of the photos of the era where the angle is right and you will see black smoke billowing from the exhausts. at which boost it becomes an advantage to go from lean for power to rich for cooling is probably a matter of experimentation.

can't remember much more, but i am sure if you look up the technology of the era you can find some stuff that has disappeared from the turbo knowledge base, because many of the 1/4 mile guys are looking at short duration high power, not sustained high power for a GP, so would not be applying the same ideas.

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Too fast aye?
on the rich suggestion, in the 50's with the 1.5l forced induction rule, or 4l? 3l? na rule the supercharged cars (alfa mosty) were running so rich that prancing horse motors ran a Na car, and with less power still won because the alfa's had to stop for gas (like 2mpg :D ) but it does keep the engine cool, although you would have trouble with sparkplugs, i think the cooler wil make a HUGE dif.

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well i now know i certainly can (i always did really) but i got a call from GR today as he wanted to know if i had time to pop in today as he was dyno tuning another turbo a series motor. (unfortunately i am interstate with work as i type)
well in the end this motor made 204Hp at the crank on 12 psi :P :P yeah i know it is a great result and i am sure the owner would be very happy.

it is fuel injected and intercooled too, i know some specs on the motor but not all, so i will have to make a trip to see GR when i get back for a chat.

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wow, great result...and so it starts!

Intercooler will help you alot i think...8 port fuel injection ;)

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Boostedmini wrote:
well i now know i certainly can (i always did really) but i got a call from GR today as he wanted to know if i had time to pop in today as he was dyno tuning another turbo a series motor. (unfortunately i am interstate with work as i type)
well in the end this motor made 204Hp at the crank on 12 psi :P :P yeah i know it is a great result and i am sure the owner would be very happy.

it is fuel injected and intercooled too, i know some specs on the motor but not all, so i will have to make a trip to see GR when i get back for a chat.

Grant

BTW this Bling motor is still running a 5 port head... :shock:
But the injectors are (now) not in the ports... 8)

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drmini in aust wrote:
Boostedmini wrote:
well i now know i certainly can (i always did really) but i got a call from GR today as he wanted to know if i had time to pop in today as he was dyno tuning another turbo a series motor. (unfortunately i am interstate with work as i type)
well in the end this motor made 204Hp at the crank on 12 psi :P :P yeah i know it is a great result and i am sure the owner would be very happy.

it is fuel injected and intercooled too, i know some specs on the motor but not all, so i will have to make a trip to see GR when i get back for a chat.

Grant

BTW this Bling motor is still running a 5 port head... :shock:
But the injectors are (now) not in the ports... 8)


Drmini what are you implying? He hasn't gone to direct injection 8) I doubt... Manifold injection?

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