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pristic

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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:43 pm

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Location: Kellyville, NSW

Lillee wrote:

Can I just say I am gutted! utterly gutted! I mean how bad a timing is this?? why not announce it after I put my new 1330 into the car?? that would have been harsher!!! :roll:

Damn, isnt it in yet... ? ok, ill delete and re-post when you have it in there :lol:

You know I love ya Chong.

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pristic

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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:46 pm

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Location: Kellyville, NSW

mickmini wrote:

pristic wrote:

. if you got that much $$ you can go to the other class.

Not trying to be (too) negative, but one of the reasons the original series fell apart was because some were prepared to spend that much $$$ to win a class. The original rules only allowed standard 998 conrods, but development of 998 engines lead to cooper S conrods being allowed, which just added to the price, because what it really meant was that there were some very radical heads, camshafts and rev limits being used by a couple who could afford continual mods and development (or owned their own workshop....), and when they did this, found their standard 998 rods were breaking. There will always be someone who is able to get more cubic $ into the scenario, and it takes away from the spirit. If you are going to maintain the spirit of cheap racing then you have to police the engines to make sure that everyone knows that the cost limits are being enforced (rather than people cheating to win).

my $0.02

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michael

Actually, Mike, PM me with your ideas, I am happy to hear them... anything that will help get this really going is a good thing.

Peter.

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Lillee

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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:45 pm

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pristic wrote:

You know I love ya Chong.

Shucks don't let my wife find out :oops:

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Matt68

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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:14 pm

1275cc

Joined: Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:33 pm
Posts: 2213
Location: Darling Downs QLD

If you bring this northwards, then dammit I am in!! 2000k's round trip a bit much for me at the moment tho!

Damn I'm jealous! :cry:

I even have an 1100 spare, could just freshen up my 12g295, throw that on with my twin SUs and exhaust from the 1310.....

Maybe I should move down there? :wink:

Anyone who has a mini and wants a bit of fun within a few hours drive in Sydney would be mad if they didn't take advantage of this opportunity!

Good on you guys for organising this again!!

Cheers
matt

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simon k

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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:37 pm

Yay For Hay!

Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:27 pm
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Location: Wodonga - Vic/NSW border

damnit - I had a shitter deluxe that would have been pefrect, but I stripped it and gave it away, and then I gave Aaron a sweet little motor!! humbug - where am I gonna find another deluxe..... hmmmmm......

what are the regs on rollcages? do we have to run one? can it be a non-cams approved alloy one?

this is the perfect way to learn about engine development and doing stuff yourself - get a crappy head, grind it, bung it on, test it, do another - love it!

but I have to ask - what are the race fees going to be like?

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mickmini

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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:54 pm

1275cc

Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:31 pm
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Location: Sydney - strangely, I am glad of the sight of hills!!

no i'm out, because i am still building the 1411 stroker that i started 9 months ago and i've spent too much to turn back, plus i'll probably not even get that finished before i have to move to the Netherlands for 3 years starting in April (if they give me a decent contract). As a result there may be a cheap half built car that someone could turn into a 998 race for sale in March.........Like Chong said, why was this not around 18 months ago when i pulled the 998 out of the car....... :roll:

i'll probably talk to Graham before i go on a sighting visit to Europe in January, so i may see you out there Peter.

cheers
Michael

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pristic

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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:02 pm

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skssgn wrote:

Roll Cage states that it needs to be a full cage, but we were talking and I think a 1/2 cage will be fine (I will find out more though, ok)
Race fees?
About $80/year for the license
About$150-$200 per meet (roughly, but the more we have, the cheaper this gets)

Peter.

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supercharged 850

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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:46 pm

1275cc

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cush wrote:

supercharged 850 wrote:

And in the original SA series, there WAS a guy who had a very fast 998.... and a lot of money invested. It ruined the fun of the series for everybody else.

Unfortunately, there will always be somebody who tries to cheat the system. Its sad, but true.

i hope those comments aren't related...

Yes and no. They werent cheating, but they had an unfair advantage.

The cheating bit refers to people who would try to have an 1100 crank in a 998 numbered block, or fuel additives for extra HP, or modified bodywork where paople cant see it...

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doogie

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:41 am

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Location: Radelaide, South Australia

All sounds good, but like the original series it all comes down to $$$$$ whoever has the most $$$$$ wins, it's as simple as that.

Doogie

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sports850

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:47 am

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Location: Northern NSW

2 S's & a clubman wrote:

All sounds good, but like the original series it all comes down to $$$$$ whoever has the most $$$$$ wins, it's as simple as that.

Doogie

I'm afraid the only real way around this is to have someone build and seal all the motors used in the series , it probably will put the costs up a bit though but at least you'll know you're running apples against apples . Wonder if it's worth seeing if any engine builders are prepared to come on board and do a bulk deal for an advertising agrrement and prepare 10 or so identical long motors and seal them like they used to for some speedway classes , it'd make things fairer as the only mods would be visible or checkable .

Apart from that , I'm P'd off I live so far away from Wakefield Park as I'd love to be in on this .

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Lillee

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:57 am

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Graham said you can use something to check the CC of the car from the spark plug hole.

The idea is to keep it as open as possible so there is little need to police. Since this is a 1000/1100 open then there will be no disputes about 1100 cranks inside of 998 blocks. Just get out there and have fun, it's not a serious competition as there are only probably 4-5 meets a year...

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sports850

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:02 am

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True , but if I was going into a class like this (and I'd love to) I would like to think it was more up to the driver and the total car setup rather than whoever was able to spend the most on their engine . Imagine a young fella on a shoestring budget being discouraged and leaving the series after a couple of races because he has no chance against someone with a huge budget , as opposed to fairly close constant racing because all the cars are within a few Hp of each other .

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cush

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:24 am

THIS SPACE FOR RENT

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cheap, fun, racing...

that's all it needs to be....

who cares if your winning or losing....

getting out there and thrashing the tits off your brick is where the fun's at!

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DOZ

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:13 am

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Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:08 pm
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Location: Bris Vegas Occupation: Engineer

It takes more than horsepower to win races, I've got more than any Nb/Nc mini and I can only do 1:20 at best atm at Wakefield. Tyres/brakes/shocks being the main problems (all stock). I still have fun passing all the Ricers and hounding TE50's and the like though.

A formula Vee does about 1:08-09 around wakefield, the top speed is something like 145km/hr, I'm doing 165 and still 12 secs slower in lap time!

Corner speed is the key and this series has the ingredients to keep parity amongst competitiors in this sense. This is control tyres/brakes/dampers & vehicle mass.

Just buy Vizards book, a cheap compressor from super crap and a grinder and start porting, hell I did it. Look how cheap pistons etc are, it's not going to cost that much to build a half decent engine.

Daniel

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Mike_Byron

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:26 am

1275cc

Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:57 pm
Posts: 3635
Location: Gulgong

I had a lot to do with one of the best HQ racers of a few years back (Peter Dane). I learnt a lot about race car setup from him.

He won just about every HQ championship at one stage or another and it is about chassis development and tyres. His car was very very stock but very well developed. It was also big budget compared to a lot of others. He practiced on one set of new tyres and raced on another. He never ever went out on the track without fresh brake fluid in the calipers and wheel cylinders. The shockies and springs were tested for sepcification and either reset or revalved if they varied, after each race.

It was more attention to detail than cheating but the detail cost money and showed results. The final outcome of this series will be the same but its a ball anyway. Regardless of all above a true genuine talent will shine once race craft is learnt.

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