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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:59 pm 
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its like u havin a beer if the beer taste good ull feel a million bucks and will perform the best but if the beers a dogbox well ull be spiting it out and spewing. lol


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Somebody something like "their car runs rich on what ever octane fuel"

I think you will find that the mixture setting doesn't change noticably between the various commercially available fuels. Its more a matter of the fact that some fuels are smokier than others and in some cases its batch to batch variation in the fuels themselves.

Gulgong is a small town which makes it easier to recognise a trend. About to years ago, my cars (commodore, tonner and the mini) all started to miss and foul plugs. I was starting to think about different plugs and spoke to my local mechanic. He just simply said "did you get your fuel at the xxxxxxx servo" ?

Yes, then he told me that he had dealt with a rash of cars with the same problem. All used fuel from that servo. The servo proprietors are straight shooters and don't play games with their fuels - it was straight from their suppliers.

Back in the old days we used to judge the state of tune by the colour of the spark plugs. You cant do that any more - they are always smokey black and that is because of the fuel not the tune.



Motorcycles are expecially very picky about their fuel as they run on a very fine edge. I've had this problem weekly at the moment, as the fuel station near to me and easyist isn't my favourite.
I find when I use it that the R1 engine stumbles more when cold and runs a little rougher. it might take an extra pump of the starter first thing to get her to kick.

The gulgong servo wouldn't use fuel derived from a Scallop shell would it?

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We have two servo's and two others that also retail fuel from a bowser in front of their retail outlet. Such is what you expect from a historic small rural town.

Of the two servo's one has green and yellow coporate colours and the other has red and yellow corporate colours. We now mainly go to the green and gold servo but have to get a small amount of fuel at the red and yellow servo. Its small town politics and necessary for us to remain in good with both.


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Yes i thought so. I heard something a while back about fuel density or specific gravity with regards to red and yello fuel. It's ok if you're constantly wringing the engine's neck but will carbon motorcycle plugs up if putting about the residential streets too much.

Don't know much about petro-chemicals, but apparently it's another way about the problem of creating a higher octane that gives us this fuel.

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Buy some AVGAS. Around 25% to a tank full. Will do wonders for your performance. I use to do it with a Lada Niva, dont laugh, and it worked a treat. Havn't tried it with a mini though.

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matt850 wrote:
Buy some AVGAS. Around 25% to a tank full. Will do wonders for your performance. I use to do it with a Lada Niva, dont laugh, and it worked a treat. Havn't tried it with a mini though.

Illegal for street ($5K fine)- can't buy it now, unless you have a racecar with logbook, or an aeroplane... :lol:

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But you can still buy bulk toluene with no restrictions :wink:

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We have two servo's and two others that also retail fuel from a bowser in front of their retail outlet. Such is what you expect from a historic small rural town.

Of the two servo's one has green and yellow coporate colours and the other has red and yellow corporate colours. We now mainly go to the green and gold servo but have to get a small amount of fuel at the red and yellow servo. Its small town politics and necessary for us to remain in good with both.

The green&gold servo (98) does go "off".
Lots of motoring enthusiast are having problems with hard starting/fouled plugs when there vehicles sit around for long periods.
Recently when cleaning some parts with 98,and left a small amount of fuel in the container,it turned to a jelly type mess.

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I reckon 98 octane is 50% thinners of some sort, if I park my car for a week the gauge drops a fair bit.
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hey Doc,
do you think it would hurt the 998. I might start using it again.

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98 will not hurt any Mini motor. If it'a a tame one though, 95 will do you and it's cheaper.

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Some random fuel mutterings....
Toluene is a carcinogen, it can kill you. But it is used in thinners and petrol already so you have been in contact with it for years already.

I used to keep a small bottle (600ml) of avgas in the shed to be used as starting fluid. I would open the bottle and draw out some avgas with a syringe and then fill the float bowl on my F100s Holley carby (the fuel used to evaporate out of the carby when I left the F100 sit for a couple of weeks). The F100 would then start first go. The bottle of avgas used to last forever. When I run out of avgas I just filled the bottle with regular unleaded and what a difference! The bottle would shrink and the sides would suck in and the unleaded would slowly disappear even though it was the same sealed bottle that the avgas was quite happy to sit in for 5 years.

When I was racing the HQ in the early days we had to run on commercially available fuel but not avgas. We all used to run on the old leaded super (96 octane). I had a bit of a backdoor deal with Ampol and they gave me a drum of Toluene and a foolscap sheet with the mixing instructions on it. I think it was something like If you added 5 litres of toluene to 20 litres of Super the octane would go from 96 to 100. The only problem was that they used to do fuel checks on the cars after the race so I never tried it on the track.
I then found out that the Super in Sydney was only 95 octane (or less) while fresh Super in the country was 96.

With the HQ race cars the compression ratio was free, meaning that you could run whatever compression you could get away with without pinging the pistons to destruction. I lived in the upper Blue Mountains and I would tune the car at home and go to Amaroo or Oran Pk and it would ping away so I would have to retard the timing a bit to stop the pinging (and lose power) When I would go to Bathurst I would be quicker than the cars that were beating me in Sydney.


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Sorry Doc, I was referring to the avgas and whether you thought 4:1 would be harmful.
Question still stands ??
Seems to me you might be able to get avgas... :lol:
The thing I fly burns kero so unless I put a diesel in the mini.........theres a thought.
The "tug" runs on avgas though, might have to borrow some from it and see how it goes.

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My understanding - this came from the Fuel spec system at Ampol - avgas is no longer avgas. It is now 98ULP with someother anti-knock added and added toulene, It is not manufactured as leaded 100/102 octane any more as they have decommisioned the cracker that makes the good stuff at both Kurnell and Lyton because of new sulphur levels for Avgas.

So there is no point really.


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If you have trouble with the motor pinging on the highest octane Unleaded that you can buy then Avgas would be the next best thing. (purely for off-road use of course :wink: )
I wouldn't bother mixing Hi-octane and avgas. Avgas is 100 octane so it is a lot better than regular unleaded but only a little better than Hi-octane.


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