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There is a documentary on the ABC Thursday about crude oil . http://www.abc.net.au/tv/guide/netw/200 ... 203000.htm

Learn all about oil and what makes the world go round.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:32 am 
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It still seems like yesterday that I paid 62.9 for super in Toowoomba... That was July 1999. 8 years feels like yesterday - I must be getting old... Whatever may be said about the CPI, fuel, housing and groceries are running well above everything else. :x I'm one of those people who complains about fuel prices, and, if I still lived in Toowoomba, my wife and I would still be using under 20L/week between us. So it's not just people who are high users who get cranky! In fact, I know people who drive constantly who never complain... :wink:
That said, as has been mentioned, everything is at least partially driven by the market. Sure, there's intervention from the governments here and there - they control how much crown land is offered up for sale (look at housing price rises in Perth - there's very little land being sold for people to build on), how much they tax us on fuel, etc, and undoubtedly there are some companies paying very nice divedends where they've either achieved or come close to achieving every business's true goal - a monopoly (or alternately a cartel). So, if you want to avoid getting caught by all this, you have to think through your priorities and plan.
Unfortunately, being members of a car forum, we are petrol addicts. Thankfully, being a Mini forum, we have it good compared to most! 8) However, not everyone on here can have a Mini as their only vehicle. So you've got to think about your priorities. We did when we bought our main vehicle (Mini is for fun! :D ). Seven seats (not all filled - thankfully. We just have family who don't drive :roll: ). I refuse FWD in anything bigger than an Astra (even an Astra is pushing it - maybe only in Minis :lol: ) - I can see how it's cheaper to manufacture and has space benefits, but I can't see the cost benefits for the owner. I wanted as much performance as I could get, but I wanted something cheap to run (so LPG or diesel), So we ended up with a diesel 4WD. I'd spent years complaining about 4WD's (usually about how I couldn't see past them from a Mini!). But it suited our needs, the 4WD bit was just an aside. So we can move 7 people in comfort and cheaply (2200kg and as cheap to run as my old Pulsar! :D ) and I don't have to worry about CV's/front tyres wear/etc (it's part time 4WD). I haven't beaten the system - I still buy fuel - but I've minimized the damage as much as I can. 8) Diesels have improved a long way - 50% of all new VW's are diesels, and VW sales have gone through the roof this past year or two... :roll: Diesel's not the only way, though, and it won't last forever either. We need a Mini powered by a "Mr Fusion"! :lol:
The problem for many people with housing is the availability of work. There are still some cheap places to live, and not all of them are holes! :lol: But there isn't much work there. So, for someone starting out in life, don't just think about how cool your career will be - think about where you've got to live to do it. Don't bother becoming an F1 Race Engineer or Nuclear Physicist if you want to live in Gulgong - no offence Mike! Figure out something that you'll be able to earn a living from wherever you go. Or something that you'll be able to do where you want to live. Or something that you'll be able to do that will get you where you want to live! :lol: One advantage that Toowoomba, Gulgong and similar places have, as Mike hinted at, is ease of travel. But it's not just the lack of Gridlock, it's that, if you're in town, you're never more than 10-15 minutes from anything, and it's only a few sets of lights holding you up. In a major city, it's nothing to drive an hour to work... :( So, if you don't want to spend a fortune on fuel, get a job you can do from home or very close by, and a home located where you want to live! :lol:
Thus endeth another novel... :oops:


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Location: hoxton park,sydney a place where our council bins are so small you couldn't bath a baby in them!!
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in all honestly petrol prices yeah ok they are high by comparison but the real killer these days is housing
in the last 5 years it has pretty much doubled in value... great ,wonderful for the people who had the financial power to buy 5 years ago!!! . but where does that leave the people who aren't on 60k plus who can't aford even the cheapest housing?

this is an issue we should ALL be up in arms and rioting in the street about. as the ogvernment of the day should have never ever ever promoted property as an investment tool for mum and dad investors because now the kids are screwed!!!!!

in the greater scheme of things fuel prices are trivial by comparison


again - market economy. What can the govt do to control housing prices.

The only way housing proces will fall is if people stop buying them.

They are only expensive because people are prepared to spend what is necessary to get them. You want to buy a cheaper house live in a cheaper place which happens to be a an area that less people want to live in.

So to spend less on petrol spend more and live in area with better public transport. So to live in an area with better public transport you need to earn more money which requires you to drive from the area with lesser public transport which results in you spending more money on petrol and we have neatly arrived back on topic.


if i could move out to the middle of some town in the middle of nowhere and i could get a job out there to support myself believe me when i say i would be out of this damn city so fast you'd swear i never lived here but unfortunatly i can't, i can't even afford to move to wollongong or further south same story with north and west my limit is $250,000
worst of all the further away from the cities you go the less the bank will lend you!

eg westpac will lend me $100,000 for a property in sydney but won't lend me $35,000 for 27 acres 30mins drive from parkes ?????????? wtf ?????

the "government" isn't completly powerless on this, once upon a time they setup landcom which was supposed to release land at an "affordable" price to the "first home buyer and low income people" this today is clearly not even remotely the case
and releases such as the ones at north arm cove where you can barely even camp on them are nothing more than a complete joke and an insult to everyone that is having the same trouble i am

now excuse me while i bend over and cop my fair share of taxes,levies and bs for the day.

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:30 pm 
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Demonic1100, I think you've missed BIAM's sarcasm... He did point out the cycle of how the common man can never win. Live in a cheap area and travel further (get hit by fuel prices) or live in an expensive area and not use as much fuel. Why is land in the country cheap? Because it's hard to make money out there! Unless you travel a long way (or it rains). Which is why the banks don't want to loan you money for land out there. They figure that it's hard to earn money out there, so that's why you've got to choose your career carefully... It's a never ending cycle. :roll: :oops: :(
You're right, the government could help out a bit more, but do they want to..? And, really, how much can they help? They don't own much anymore, they don't really have that much power... They don't own any oil companies, so they can't help out much there, they don't own the electric co, so they can't help out there... :roll: It's all good for conspiracy theorists!!! :lol:

So... Did anyone else watch the documentary on the ABC, Crude? Thought provoking - and I'm not even referring to the expansive global warming parts of the show. Just the rise and fall of supply, and the fact that, while we think about the impact of oil prices on fuel prices, we don't think about the higher costs it is bound to pass onto us in every other area, due to its importance in plastics, etc. :?


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