well done wolf! you have a nice set of wheels and it's good to see these things coming out of warehouses and garages and being used and seen.

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1964 Cooper UK 970 S 'CZ 4289'

Hi Guys

I actually won the "other" mini that was up for sale and had a look at both - the Ex Police mini is pretty clean but I suspect that its been resprayed - plate has been put on upside down and isn't on the firewall (behind brake booster - maybe that where it is supposed to be???) - number do match up though.

I understand that the Police used "calibrated" speedo's in the cars so the mileage would be not correct... The sunroof was the killer for me - its just not right but all in all the rest was pretty clean and straight - left hydro is in need of attention as it is down...

The "other" one was also pretty clean but missing the plates - this is the Mini as reviewed in Fast Four and Rotaries - went for $9300 and I think that was a good buy - what do you guys think ??

Fast Fours Review

Engine is in great shape and body is pretty straight - need to fix interior and get rid of those horrid clubman lights...

I would love to find the guy in the article and find out more - does anyone know of him ??

Cheers
DICK

This car wouldn't have had the plate on the firewall, it would have been on the "subframe tower" sort of behind the brake booster. It also would have been a different type of plate from those normally associated with being on firewalls.

Cheers
Steve

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1964 998cc Cooper
1971 Mini K x 2
1972 Clubman GT

Is that normal for a Cooper S ??? You could see the holes in the FW where the plate may have been mounted..

It was where you explained but upside down...

DICK

As long as you realise you have not bought a genuine Cooper S you have probably done OK!
The article clearly states the original body was blown away by the sandblaster. Article claims 1969 S but body shell is 12/70 at earliest mini K shell. May even be clubman with round front fitted.
Couldn't be considered a reshelled cooper S because shell is not right for the car it was to replace, so just a bitsa!

Pre '69 cars had the old style plate on the firewall behind the master cylinders, '69 cars had no plate and post '69 cars had the new style plate on the "subframe" section behind the brake booster.

Cheers
Steve

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1964 998cc Cooper
1971 Mini K x 2
1972 Clubman GT

Hi Freddy - not sure where you got the 12/70 info from - but the doors are from a late model MK2 and the have butchered the rear (nicely done) to fit the clubby lights..

The ONLY stamping on the body is the numbers 05 and 36118 on the radiator cowl - it has all the other signs of being a cooper s body...

I would be interested if the cowl numbers shed any light on the body...

DICK

Dave[/quote]
Just a point of interest, Almost every Cooper S that I bought from the ex Goverment Auctions, Had a Speedo Reading of around 100 Miles, The factory fitted Speedo was disconnected when the police Speedo was installed, I always checked the mileage on the next oil change sticker to give me a true indication of the miles travelled[/quote]

That is interesting John. How many miles on average would you say those ex government cars had actually traveled?
Dave[/quote]
Sorry Dave I missed this before,
I found that they varied from 25000 to 35000 miles, It was my understanding that they were kept untill they reached 30000 miles or a specified time, The miles travelled depended on where they were stationed, However i do not think their guide lines were always stuck to

Hey Mediaat Campfreddy is correct. it is not a genuine cooper s that you have bought in the "other mini".
A 69 mini cooper s would NOT have lift up door handles, the 71 cooper s's (or some of them) had the lift up door handles and as the article says "the 69 cooper s was sandblasted away and another shell was found" i would guess a late mini k shell, as it says the lights were modded to fit.
As for having no plates it probably didnt have any - often referred to as mk 1.5 (but is an early mark 2) they were produced during the phase in of compliance plates and hence BMC being cheap as they were chose not to supply one.

If it does have the "s" markings, the rear seat was probaly unpicked and the original "s" one from the "blasted away original shell" with the tabs welded back on.

Brenton

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Steve, Just for the Record,
The 1970 Cooper S and Mini K had a larger Square ID plate on the cross member behind the brake booster. When the ADR;s changed and the doors with the burst proof locks where introduced the compliance plate was again changed to the smaller rectangular plate, the same type that we are used to seeing on the mini clubman and leyland minis.It was still mounted on the cross member.
Dave.

John,
Thanks for that interesting information.
Dave

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Dick,
To answer your question about where I got the 12/70 date from.

The fact is that those doors will simply not fit on a mini built any earlier than that without serious modification. The door jam in the body is completley different to accept the later type of door catches!

Hi

If the number on the radiator panel quoted (36118) is correct and does indeed bear reference to its origins I doubt very much that it is a Mini K. Even the latest lift up door handled Mini K on my register is only in the 13000's.

As for camp freddy using the 12/70 date, I totally agree with this as this month is the earliest of the lift up door handled Mini K's on my register.

Dave, thanks for that, I forgot about the square one.

Cheers
Steve

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1964 998cc Cooper
1971 Mini K x 2
1972 Clubman GT

the modification isn't that serious, can be done quite neatly by someone who knows what they're doing

however, it's not a genuine S shell - from memory when I looked at it on ebay, it had some fairly obvious non-S markings



99% sure those numbers make it a late mini deluxe shell

edit: the radiator shoud stampings for S's are as follows:

a MK1 S will have M2 06 followed by a number between 0 and about 5000

a MK2 S have YG2S4 followed by a number between 0 and about 2400

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did I tell you that I won a trophy?

another ex police cooper s for sale http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... otohosting

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1965 Riley Elf
1974 Ex Army Moke
1997 Rover Cooper
2002 JCW Cooper
2003 JCW Cooper S

Now , if you were going to sell something as valuable as an S like that , wouldn't you think you'd sell a few other things first to improve your -1 feedback rating

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