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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:46 am 
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I know about that Ausmini claim.... yes it couldve been BAD.

All i can say is.... whenever you TYPE something about someone, a friend of that person is probably reading it and relaying the information.

Do us a favour and say your bad claims over the dinner table, not the keyboard. Leave no physical evidence.

The world is one big grapevine, all grapevines can be tracked back to the ground..

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:23 am 
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Anyone know a lawyer, it would be good to clarify this. I am sure there are existing precidents of people sueing forums. I doubt that people have that much of a chance of winning a case like that. Especially a non profit forum. If it was a business or company things are different. Most of the time it's the big guys leaning on the little guys. Just my thoughts

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I must correct myself.....earlier in this thread I stated the law-suit was involving claiming damages to the value of $250,000. It is, in actual fact, $2.25 million!!!

Now, I have also trimmed this quote below from one of the admistrators of the site that is closing from ANOTHER hot rod site (I have not modfied what was typed below in any way), so you guys can get SOME understanding (I'm sorry that it will still not make a lot of sense, as believe me, it is still baffling a lot of us) of what happened to lead to the current situation:

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In relation to this subject there are still a lot of questions to be answered. A number of HRI members did seek answers in relation to the original subject matter, which was the registration of another organsiation by the ASRF, what, why, when and with whose money? No information was forthcoming.

It appears that Murray was quite fortunate to be given the information he was. Until there had been considerable discussion on the HRI Forum nobody was answering questions. The ASRF has indeed lodged a trademark application for ASCF Australian Street Custom Federation. A link to the logo and TM can be found on the following Government web site http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/tmimages/cgi-bin/oracle_get_tm_images.pl?1033996. Feel free to take a look for yourselves. At they same time they also applied for a TM of the ASRF name and logo. This was done at members cost and it appears that nobody outside of the NCC was made aware of it.

One State Director did post a reply on the site via another member in which he denied that there was ever any intention to use the new name. One must then ask why spend members money designing and registering it? He also proceeded to call anyone who commented on ASRF but was not a Financial Member a 'Scab' and gave various other replies but never really answered any of the legitimate concerns raised by HRI Members. Oh and incidentally Murray one of the alleged complaints of defamation is that "Mr Tudman's personal privacy was invaded by people contacting him personally." Were you one of those invaders? Funny because he is listed on the ASRF website as being a point of contact with email and phone numbers.

The current status is that the National Administrator Mr Tudman, who is a paid employee, his wife and daughter want to personally (not as the ASRF employee but as himself) sue the HRI Administrator and 9 other HRI members for alleged defamation. This is a horribly expensive process but he has apparently been given the go ahead to use ASRF funds to sue the 10 people. The lawyer handling the matter appears not to be the official ASRF one. By the way 9 of those being sued are current ASRF financial members and the tenth an unfinancial or former ASRF Member. In other words your State Director has authorised the use of ASRF funds to sue ASRF members for raising concerns about what is happening within ASRF!

As to what the facts are of the original matters raised who knows? Because of the threatened legal action nobody is game to ask any more. Every ASRF club member should be bringing this up at their State Meetings to find out what is really going on? Why the new name? Why spend limited Federation funds on a)a new name, and b)sueing your own members for daring to ask questions!

Some of you may think so what, who cares but believe me this isuue could destroy or split the Federation. Anyone who cares about hotrodding in this country should be looking at all sides of the story and making their own judgements. You could ask your club delegate but none over here have been told anything so good luck. Only the State Directors appear to have any knowledge and it would appear some of the information they have been given in phone hookups is at best 'selective'. They also need to look at the big picture. Nobody official is exactly jumping on any of these forums to tell anyone what is going on are they?

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