OK, all I wanna know is:

1. I have a genuine Cooper S number,
2. Let's say I am prepared to sell it;
3. Why would a buyer pay me X $'s for that number and what in the **** is he/she gonna do with that number?

Am too simple again?

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1964 Cooper UK 970 S 'CZ 4289'

Answer: Pay you $100 and stick it on a deluxe with all the Cooper 'S' bits and sell it to some cashed up retiree baby boomer for $25,000, so he can relive his youth in what he thinks is a genuine Cooper 'S'!

Now that's just sad

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1964 Cooper UK 970 S 'CZ 4289'

Agreed!

But unfortunately that is what happens! Look how many top quality cars have appeared on the scene lately that are clearly rebirthed cars.... it is frightening!

Well,we have had two people confirm it now through making the effort to check the requirements with both NSW and QLD Road authorities, not just shooting their mouths off.That all could potentially be replaced around the VIN number. It is not restricted to 50% of panels or engine replacements. Every vehicle is repairable ,if one is prepared to make the effort. I have no problem in purchasing a Cooper "S', that has been rebuilt to factory specifications and requirements, provided, the number is not restamped .I repeat once again ,that some of you guys are too precious, regards the authenticity of the Cooper "S".Maybe its a concern that ,the more that are ressurected the value of your considered Cooper "S" reduces.

I think you will find that the "piece with the VIN" they are talking about is the entire shell. The shell you are swapping it to already has its own VIN *** which must be retained ***. I'm sure if you ring them up again and ask "Can I cut the VIN out of one car and transfer it to another" you will get a quite different answer.

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66 Deluxe, 07 Cooper

It's a question of interpretation.There is a marked difference between rebuilding and swapping a body.I believe a vehicle can be rebuilt,whether you reuse 99% of panels from many different cars is immaterial. Provided you are not restamping body numbers, I and guy from the last post, cannot see the problem.Even with original handbooks and other history ,this does not mean that the car ,with which you believe to be 100% authentic, is . I believe unless you have owned it from new and have been fully aware of its history 24/7 ,the possibility of doubt could exist and in some cases does.

origmini,
Remind me never to buy a Mini ( or any car for that fact ) from you, nobody would know what they getting from you.
Cheers Pete

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A recent study found the average Aussie walks about 900 miles a year
Another study found Aussies drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year
That means, on average, Australians get about 41 miles per gallon

Kind of makes you proud to be an AUSSIE

I would interpret that if you are replacing the whole body except the
ID plate, body number stamped into the body and the radiator shroud
then it would suggest that you are Reshelling

Some of you precious guys have missed the point of this discussion.I have simply presented a scenario that could arise.I would guarantee that if up to 99.9% of your so called authentic Cooper "s" had to be replaced,you would make the effort to repair it and still consider it as an original Cooper "S".There is no limitation as to what percentage of the car ,if replaced, authorises it to not be genuine.Thats my point,accept it or reject it. It's your decision.

Grandpa's axe- 2 new heads and 5 new handles - but it's still grandpa's axe.....or is it?

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David L


My greatest fear in life is that when I die my wife will sell my Mini and tools for the price I told her I paid for them!

I would say no cause you have replaced the axe head

But the axe head I used came out of Grandpa's shed

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David L


My greatest fear in life is that when I die my wife will sell my Mini and tools for the price I told her I paid for them!

Well it is still Grandpa's axe then isn't it then

I understand your point, but the problem i have with your senario is...

If the owner of this hyperthetical car did replace 99% of it and rebuilt it up beautifully, thats fine, he's happy with it, that ok. But once It came time to sell the car, would the owner be honest and disclose that 99% of the car is not original, or would they tell fibs and mislead the potential buyer into thinking that it is close to original?. ...

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Tim
Dusk Blue
1964 850