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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:29 pm 
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If you quote the official definition of Australian Made you should be able to use the term with confidence. You could also include the definition or reference to the source in the catalogue so there's no misunderstanding by your customers.

The Australian Made website ( http://www.australianmade.com.au/ ) says:

Australian Made: The product has been manufactured here (not just packaged) and 50% or more of the cost of making it can be attributed to Australian materials and/or production processes.

There is a cost to licence and use the logo.

There have been numerous mentions on this forum of the inferior quality of many Mini parts made overseas, so selling parts correctly branded as Made in Australia should give you a marketing advantage (provided the quality stacks up, of course).

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:36 pm 
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Assembled here from local components = best.
Assembled here from imported components = 2nd best.
However I would call both Australian Made (when it comes to cars).

Don't get me started on Oz/NZ food packaging, though- IMO it should ALL show country where grown. "Packed in NZ (for example) from local and imported (probably Chinese?) fruit" is NOT good enough.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:37 pm 
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If it was screwed together in Australia using some local parts by a Baza, Macka, Johno, or 2dads then I would call it Australian.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:54 pm 
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For what its worth, with the many conversations I have had with engineering types from the BMC-Leyland factory, in particular Peter Davis who was Office Manager for Product Engineering (who was responsible for organising the Knock Down Allocation Schedules - KDAS - for all cars being imported as CKD or SKD), the following is the official factory description.

If the car was assembled in Australia from mostly imported components, then it is said to be Australian Assembled.

If it is from body panels pressed in Australia with a majority of Australian content (ie: in line with the local content rules) then it is said to be Australian Made.

The difference is the amount of local content. Australia's local content programme was based on input cost. This meant that BMC (and Leyland) Australia pressed the body panels and welded them together and fitted mostly locally-sourced parts and met the local content rules. The 1098cc engines (and some 998cc engines) were assembled in Australia from parts cast and machined in UK, but qualified as Australian content because of the work in assembling them. However, the engines/transmissions/brakes package for the Cooper S were imported CBU (Completely Built Up) but the remainder of the cars were locally sourced parts (body panels, interior, wheels, tyres, glass, battery, etc) so the Cooper S still classifies as Australian-made. This also applies to post-May 1975 Minis and Mokes, with imported CBU 998cc engines.

By comparison, the South African local content rules were based on weight, so they built their own engines, from complete casting and all machining to assembly. With locally-sourced interior trim, wheels, tyres, etc, fitted into imported SKD or CKD body shells, they were classified as South African made.

Importantly, while CKD stands for Completely Knocked Down, this is a bit of a misnomer for two reasons. Firstly, some components were imported in partially assembled form, such as subframes, rather than as their completely separate components. Also, there were many parts, such as batteries, wheels, tyres, interior trim, etc that were locally sourced for the Morris 850 from early on, yet the cars are considered to have been supplied CKD.

So, in a nutshell;
Morris 850: Australian assembled.
Mini De Luxe: Australian Made
Morris Cooper: Australian assembled
Morris Cooper S: Australian made
Austin Cooper S (for export): Australian made
Mini K (Mini De Luxe Mk2): Australian Made
All Leyland Minis sold new here: Australian made

and so-on.

All Mokes from 1968 to 1982 are definitely Australian Made, but there is conjecture and dissension regarding Mokes 1966 to 1968. Most histories of the Moke list the Australian little-wheel Moke as being assembled from CKD with local input. This would qualify them as Australian Assembled.

However, the differences between the early Aussie Mokes and their UK counterparts, even in the body panels, are significant. Also, all Australian Mokes were allocated a YDO number - originally YDO7 - rather than using the UK number ADO15B. The Morris 850 assembled in Australia was always known by the UK designation ADO15 and only when the cars qualified as Australian Made were they allocated Australian Design Office numbers YDO4, YDO5 and YDO6. There are other examples of Australian Made BMC cars having YDO numbers but earlier series models being known by their Austin or Morris UK designations and considered Australian Assembled.

So, I would consider Australian little-wheel Mokes to be Australian Made as well.

Just my 12c (with inflation and GST) worth.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:56 pm 
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http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ckd/ckd_1.htm

Not a mini but still a bmc car so maybe the same specs


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:49 pm 
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As with the CKD Minis, I would classify these as Australian assembled, not Australian made.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:54 pm 
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Minimadmarty wrote:
peterb wrote:
In my eyes, if it's put together here it's Australian.


I've pulled my Mini apart and put it back together again (slightly modified) does that make my Mini a Marty built Mini?


My Leyland was restored by an old guy called Morris. I have a Morris Leyland Mini!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:00 pm 
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At the risk of getting too philosophical about it, if imported frozen concentrated orange juice is diluted with Australian water and put into Chinese-made bottles in Australia, is it Australian Made? I don't think so, yet they can call it that on the label. What about juice from oranges grown in Australia, juiced in Australia and bottled in Australia, with Chinese bottles? Australian Made? You bet!

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Next week: comparing apples with oranges!

Thanks Watto, for the informative words....as always :D

One thing that jumped out of the page....

Austin Cooper S (for export): Australian made...I had not eye deer! Why wasn't I told! etc :D

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:28 pm 
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Here you go Mick.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:05 pm 
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That's Southward's museum. That is an excellent museum. I spent a fair bit of time looking over the Moke in 2005. Do they still have the car from the Woody Allan film Sleeper?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:03 pm 
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Tis a great museum, and thanks Mozza but I probably have the same pic from last year.

So...was Kiwiland the only "export" destination for Aussie built Austin Cooper S's :?:

PS more info on "Do they still have the car from the Woody Allan film Sleeper?" and I will check my pics :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:58 pm 
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Kiwiland got a few Aussie minis all of which are known as Aussie assembled here . Whether they were assembled or made in Oz is entirely irrelevant


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:45 pm 
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Whether they were assembled or made in Oz is entirely irrelevant


Not really. The tax benefits under Australian Government local content rules were dependant on how much of the car was locally produced. Therefore, a car assembled here from imported body panels with imported mechanicals had very little local content and would be classified for tax purposes as Australian Assembled.

Under the Government's Plan A for local content, BMC was the only Australian car producer to list three vehicle lines to meet the requirements to be classified as locally made, which stipulated an eventual local content of at least 80%, based on input cost - the Mini, Morris 1100 and Austin 1800. By 1969, the Mk2 Cooper S had reached the 80% mark, with primarily only the engine/transmission/disc brake assemblies coming in from the UK, with almost all other components being locally sourced. The Mini K was over 90% because the engines were imported CKD and were assembled here. This also went for the Moke, but the Van didn't reach the 80% mark, despite the engine assembly, because many of the body panels - roof, side panels and rear floor extensions, as well as the rear doors - were imported from UK (possibly also wiring looms and other Van specific parts, but I'm not sure on those).

So, under the local content plan, there was quite a difference between an Australian Assembled car and an Australian Made one.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:50 pm 
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Kiwiland got a few Aussie minis all of which are known as Aussie assembled here . Whether they were assembled or made in Oz is entirely irrelevant


Ooooooh Kay, so how do you reckon you will go against the Brumbies after being done like dinners by the Chiefs :?:

and....why was Deans sent to Siberia :?: Errgh...Nippon

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