This one has a 1275 engine from a non Mini. That knocks the "original" down a few rungs.

I think we may be surprised just how many genuine Cooper S are still running around with their original engines in them. Yes, they may no longer be 1275cc as they've undergone an engine rebuild necessitating a rebore, but they are still the original block. I know of four off the top of my head that are still on the road on a regular basis and I'm sure there would be many more out there.

Richard

There would be a lot without their original engines too. Way back in the `60s & `70s a Cooper S was just another (high priced) Mini- if the motor wore out, many folk just got an exchange reconditioned S motor, from Repco or wherever. Keeping it the original # was far from people's minds.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

May be the word that should be used is "Authentic" as some people seem to have a problem with the term original, I use both terms. When it all boils down the Mini community just doesn't want to see someone conned by paying for a racing classic and finding out it was just a shopping trolley. I hope this car is the real deal and as my dear 85 year old dad says "an eye full is worth a thousand ear fulls"

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"Investing my Super in a Cooper" &
"Re-living my Surfing Past in a Woody"

Kevin, I agree with you whole heartedly. I believe there are far more Cooper S out there without the engine that they left the factory with than those that still have their original factory engine for the reasons that you say. Are those cars with a replacement Mk1 or Mk2 Cooper S engine still considered to be a genuine Cooper S? Yes, I believe so.

If the subject car in this thread left the factory as a Cooper S (which the pros can usually identify) and carries a Cooper S engine (which is readily identifiable) then I believe it qualifies as a Cooper S - along with the appropriate tax!

You'd be aware more than most that this is sadly an ongoing issue and I'm sure it won't be laid to rest anytime soon. Start talking about body swaps, half cuts etc etc and we're back to the original can of worms but I'm getting a bit off track!

Cheers
Richard

The problem is when people advertise a car as "genuine Cooper S" or "original Cooper S" when they should just say "Cooper S". (or Deluxe )

This car is now for sale at $12000 from Victor Harbor and Victoria. Would it be a spanner?
Tom was the seller from Vic and had $24500 on it.
The new seller has a weird email address. [email protected]
3 months ago - http://www.getusedcar.net/detail/au/oTB ... per-S-1970
1 month ago - http://au.sellsgood.com/vehicles/mini/m ... alia-Autos
and here http://www.getusedcar.net/detail/au/oYA ... per-S-1970

Looks alright for 12G! Authentic or not.

Maybe just needs an XFEY!

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Cooper S Mk2
Cooper S Mk1
ex Cooper S Mk2, various Morris 1100s, 1300s, 1500s, Leyland Sherpa!

I have a totally restored back to as original as I could using nos parts wherever possible, Marine Blue/White roof, 1967 Mk1 Cooper S with the original engine no. 9FSAY 45084, matching the ID plate, which I've re-sleeved back to the standard 1275 bore. I'm pretty sure there would be quite a few such cars tucked away.
Maybe we could start a poll out of interest?

cheers
John

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I just thought that the latest ads were a but fishy. Different seller, no contact details and a $12500 price cut. I bet if you send an email the reply will be to transfer a $1000 deposit. I am not saying anything bad about the car. From what I understand is this car is genuine and just needs an S engine.