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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:21 pm 
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David King's car, although light blue when he bought it and without the yellow or red stripes, it was almost certainly the genuine ex-Shell Manton car from 1968. However, David destroyed the car in a big crash at Sandown in Feb 1982, and it was reshelled (as often happens with race cars). As he had logbooks for the car going back to 1966 he decided to paint the reshelled car in Neptune colours.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:51 pm 
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watto wrote:
David King's car, although light blue when he bought it and without the yellow or red stripes, it was almost certainly the genuine ex-Shell Manton car from 1968. However, David destroyed the car in a big crash at Sandown in Feb 1982, and it was reshelled (as often happens with race cars). As he had logbooks for the car going back to 1966 he decided to paint the reshelled car in Neptune colours.


Absolutely correct Craig,
The car that went to King was the first Shell car painted in light blue. The car we just acquired, was initially painted in light blue but fitted with the wider flares and 12 inch wheels and then later painted in the Shell yellow colour scheme, keeping the same wheels and flares combo.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:54 pm 
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Here is some blue covered by yellow covered by the green

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:03 pm 
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LOL. Skinny Manton was so worried about weight and saved every ounce he could, then painted straight over the blue with yellow. That must have cost him about 1/100th sec per lap for sure!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:27 pm 
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low n blown wrote:
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Is the ute long gone


Mate unfortunately it is. Ian who was storing the Manton car for its owner is an 1800 fan and apparently it was used as a support vehicle for Repco? rally or trial. It was apparently in poor condition when it was used for this and believed to be long gone now, but I can't confirm that
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Is a shame would have been great to have the whole package


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:25 am 
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What a great find!!

Greg, you must be the race mini version of a water diviner??

Look forward to the rebuild :D

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:18 pm 
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low n blown wrote:
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Well done Greg. It couldn't have gone to a better home.

Is the story true that the owner was/is in the USA and the car was in storage in Melbourne some where?

Great to see another one of Manton's cars hitting the show circuit.

HRS


Thanks for the kind comments. Yes its true the car has been in storage since the 70's. The owner worked for Peter and bought the car from him along with all the Manton bits and trailer. He used it for a couple of years, hence the colour change, and the number plate came from another car he used to race. He was transferred to the USA for work in the 70's and the car remained in storage with friends until a couple of days ago, which is why the car is such a unique find. All the hand fabricated bits are there, the race engines along with an array of spares and document. A really historically correct car. I was chasing this car for a number of years and in contact with the owner regularly, so my research behind it is quite significant. One thing that kept baffling me was that in some pics the car had a right hand tank only, in some pics it had a left hand tank only and in some pics it had twin tanks. Now that I have it I can understand what was going on. Peter had a blank piece of metal painted car colour that clips over the tank hole. This allowed him to move the tank around depending on whether it was a clockwise or anti-clockwise circuit.

I haven't had a chance to really look over it yet but will do so in the next few days.

G.

Fantastic. Such a late car will be interesting to see all his tricks he developed over the years. I wonder if right hand tank only would be illegal in Group Nb :) you got me thinking. It would certainly work for Winton!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:27 pm 
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From my knowledge of Manton cars the following occured

Early Cooper - Keith Mckay- was red/white then Neptune colours
Cooper S - David King- was light blue (was it ever Neptune colours?) (I'm talking about original shell that was destroyed)
Cooper S - Greg's car- Was light blue then Shell Yellow.

So my questions are:
Where does Andrew Bergan's car fit into this sequence?
Which of these cars was the black painted car?

And how many cars do we think Manton had because I'm pretty sure he destroyed one at Warwick Farm? There are photos of this on Autopics website.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:45 pm 
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We had a history of all Manton's cars in Issue 8 of The Mini Experience (we will be revisiting the story and updating it in an upcoming issue of The Mini Experience Reloaded). I was able to nut out the complicated history thanks in part to Neville Watts, Manton's engineer and mate who has since passed away, as well as from trophies, photos and other information from Manton's collection that was loaned to me in 2006, as well as paper and magazine files, period film and news reports and other photos from Autopics.

Manton's first Mini, in early 1961, was an 850 - almost certainly one of the first three UK cars that came here for evaluation. It is unknown what became of that car after it was sold by Manton.

By November 1961 he was racing an Australian-assembled Morris 850, which still ran with the lighter welded steel trailing arms from the UK Mini.

Manton then bought a Mini from Ron Flockhart, which had been brought out from UK. It appears this car was a "Cooperised" 850 and may even have had "Cooper Mini" badges on it. Details are a bit sketchy about this car.

The next car was an early Australian assembled 997 Cooper (the 166th one assembled) - this is the car that Keith McKay has owned since mid-1964. It was originally Red with white roof but was painted in Neptune colours for the 1964 season. Keith repainted it to its original red/white, which it remains.

Peter's next Mini was a UK-sourced (imported by BMC Australia) 1071cc Cooper S. It was only run in this configuration on a couple of occasions before being converted to 1275cc. This was the car he crashed spectacularly at Warwick Farm on 6 August 1965.

The car was rebodied with an Australian Mini De Luxe shell, delivered from the factory without any sound deadening, under sealing or unnecessary brackets and with no car number stamped into the body. A number of parts, including the engine, wheels, interior trim and boot lid, from the 1071S were transferred to the De Luxe. This car was taken to WA in late 1965, where Peter won the Bosch Trophy. He returned to WA in 1966 and again won the Bosch Trophy, this time entered under the team name of the Tridents Racing Team, but still painted in Neptune colours. The car was sold to Jeff Dunkerton the day after the WATCC race. It was then repainted in red with white stripes and competed as part of the Terry Le May Racing Team. This car went through a couple of other owners before being abandoned on a farm, where it was eventually recovered in very poor condition without any running gear by Al Munday. Munday (who has since passed away) never got around to restoring and sold the car to Andrew Bergan in Sydney, who rebuilt it in the Neptune team colours.

Back in Melbourne in 1966, Manton built another Mini to replace the one he sold. Details of its origin are unknown, but this was the car that in 1967 was painted black, with yellow and red stripes, and raced in the Tridents Racing Team. In 1968 it was painted in the Shell colours light blue with red and yellow stripes. In 1969 it was sold to Rob Bessant in Tasmania and this is the car that David King bought in the mid-1970s and crashed in 1982.

The next Mini was originally painted in the blue Shell livery in 1969 but in 1970 the team colours changed to yellow with red stripes. This car was raced until November 1971 by Manton, then sold in late 1972 to Brent Benzie, a former employee of Manton's at Monaro Motors. Benzie repainted the Mini green and raced it for a few years, before moving to the US and putting the Mini in storage. I spoke with Brent in 2006 when researching the Manton Minis and got some of the history from him. This is the car that Greg has just purchased.

There was one more Mini raced by Manton in 1971, in a Mini-only Series Production racing series at Calder Park. That Mini went through a couple of owners before being bought by David King and used as a road car for a while, before he sold it on. It's whereabouts now are unknown.

So, that makes 9 Manton Minis (plus the BMC-entered car driven by Manton/Foley at Bathurst in 1965) that we can identify. Whether Manton changed any of those cars around for others during those periods is not entirely known, although Neville Watts told me that wasn't the case and that the nine Minis I have identified would be about it - he was fairly sure of that, but not 100% definitive.

Cheers,
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:43 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:45 pm 
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Image Tamiya model I made of the car a few years ago..


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:34 pm 
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Apart from Manton's Shell yellow/red striped Mini, there were I believe other Improved Prod and Sports Closed Minis running in the same Shell team colours. I think they may have been in Tasmania and WA,along with Graham Littlemore's lightweight car in Qld, also in the Shell racing colours.

And then there was the Graham Bishop car in SA (which he had developed with Cyrill Nancarrow over the years). I bought the Shell yellow alloy doors off Graham when he stopped racing in 1972 along with his trailer, also painted in the Shell livery. Graham Jarret's Shell Vimy Ridge Service Station Mini may also have been painted in these same colours for a time too.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:38 pm 
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Hats off to you Watto, great piece of history. Great research.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:51 pm 
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Looks Great Greg... So, recon you will have it ready by Bathurst? And just buy an 1800 ute and use it to tow it to Bathurst!!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:55 pm 
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Will get more pics up this week. Photobucket is full. What is better to use than photo bucket, without having to pay subscription?

Here is suspension. Interestingly the subframes are zinc coated.

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