Ahhhhh is that all

Like it or not....the series has certainly put Awwstralya on the map and provides a lot of enjoyment to a lot of people...but we digress

Seeing the Minis (or being in a Mini ) will be the highlight of the 4 days for me

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Bathurst is Bathurst and it does become engrossing. The dramas, the spectacles, the vision etc. It would be the same with any class of first tier racing.

Often i do wish wish that the Bathurst formula would change to cars more allied to the cars we know and see on the roads. We know the level of support and professionalism would be there almost immediately. I do rue the fact that it is run by big business for straight profit rather than for the sport itself. Just because many sports are now products of commerce doesn't make them better sports and sadly often the dollar is the driving force.

Bathurts that were run under, firstly Jack Hinxman and then later Ivan Stibbarb were Bathurts for the sport and ahd a huge following of car club people acting as officials. I too now wonderat the gross margin made by what is a relatively low risk event and just who gets a share in the hydra.

Still run by 500-750 volunteer officials who pay heaps in travel, food and accom costs for the privelege (unless you use the free for officials paddock camping sites and live in cheek by jowl squalour....hey!!....I've done that a few times )

I'm not getting into the crowd counting thing...but suffice it to see the upwards of 30 thousand I've seen there over the last few years are not overestimated...the place is packed

There is no doubt that it is a profitable circus....but whats the hell is wrong with that....from what I've read and seen in Australia, the club scenes are screaming for support and dollars all over the world....amateur sport means you pay (like me funding my kids interstate sport ).

Largesse....by CAMS....well.....unfortunately it comes with the territory when you have an large group "running" things.....even the large charities have big overheads (I know, don't make it right but its not an ideal world).

Happy Mini-ing

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This is ludicris to the extreme that big buisness can still get away with NOT paying the officials to put in there time. These people who voluntee make these events happens yet they walk away with a small gift bag of things(somtimes) and don't get paid a cent. Then AVESCO or even worse BERNIE in the F1 circus walks away with many many millions of dollars every year. It is almost a crime, do all other countires around the world not pay for there officals? MADNESS

PS i still won't be going to bathrust

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bathurst is a fun spectacular
we get there at 5 5:30 set up for the day have a bbq breakfast drink heaps of alcohol have a bbq lunch drink more alcohol then go to the scout hall to pass out then do it all again on the sunday if mal rose is raceing we normaly get pit passes and go for a wander inside
makka

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Thats just the way it is.....isn't that a song

Bathurst and F1 put on a party for all the volunteers on the Sunday night....and it is pretty good to kick back after a 0400 start and maybe 1730/1800 finish. However, a bunch of people have to leave to get back to work on Monday....like QLDers, VICs, SA etc etc

There are a bunch of disaffected officials and fans like you Aaron....but as others have pointed out....Bathurst is a huge spectacle watched by millions around the world....there are enough newbies or oldies giving it another go to make it all work.

We threatened to withdraw our services one year over a noise issue at Bathurst and we go some swift action, but that is rare. Volunteer official means ....just that

Indy have people that they pay....you might have seen the FIV vehicle thats first on the spot after a prang....they are at every meeting. However, apart from those officials in the stratosphere it is all voluntary. Why is this such a big revelation It happens all over the world and Motor Sport WOULD NOT HAPPEN without the motely crew of unpaid and largely dedicated officials.

There is a NSW State Championship Round at Wakefield Park next week....one of many around the country.....how do you think they happen .....some friends of mine will be there making it happen.

Finally, isn't ludicris a band....think you mean't ludicrous

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there is a major difference...... one makes money and alot at that. plain and simple, you can't compare a state round with a commercial venture.

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Oh yes I can young Aaaron

....because usually the same people who make the smaller meetings work throughout the year also turn up to make Bat-hurst and F1 in Mel-burn work year after year....you would be surprised at the calibre of some officials in attendance sometimes.....the huge bingle at Bathurst last year happened right in front of me....the two others on the point had done a max of three meetings!! and don't think F1 is some sort of elite event ....you get people who are way out of their depth that the more experienced volunteer team has to look after.

what part of volunteer official don't you understand

(you seem to think everyone is picking on you....British extraction .....well I am making an offer right here and now, wanna see for yourself....****** raise your hand next time I do a meeting in Sydney and I will get you in to see for yourself )

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hey 9Y - settle petal - I hesitate at your tone and it reads of some overtones.
Now firstly - Aarons father was in Vietnam with me in 1969 and did well so lets drop background rubbish.

Aaron is also a tireless worker with the MCCNSW and an immediate past committe member. He may not be a flaggy but he is as active in the car club scene as anyone else.

Now to the point ithout slander, I also think the present dollar gain motor sport scene is a problem. I am not a socialist but i do think the balance is out of kilter.

Back to topic people stop 8itching

If you want to attend great pay the entrence fee
If you don't want to go, don't pay and stop whining and complaining won't get you anywhere or win any friends, so hush down and check out the other threads on ausmini or keep it PM to yourself, it's doesn't look good professional or good slagging each other off

If you feel strongly about this conduct your own 40th anniversary

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Hey I bet with your lack of tact and consideration for others when you hold a party and invite all your friends you only need one seat

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Roundies and Clubbies(except vans) are both ugly that is why I have Midas and a van
1293 Mini Midas Bronze,1275 Clubman van

You are such a funny old man aren't you. British, well no actually, Australian, with some dutch heritage. I don't need to go out and see what volunteers do, because i have done it at club level, think before attacking old man. My comment was that the volunteers SHOULD be paid, i certainly wasn't attacking them like you seem to think i was. I was saying they shouold be paid for there time at these massive commercial ventures. Wouldn't you appreciate being paid for you time at these events rather than be expected to do it for free? Hmmmm, now what wrong with wanting the right thing for volunteers? Now if you don't mind old man, get off your soap box, stop trying to give me crap and leave my typo's alone....

Mike thanks for sticking up for me, but 9y unfortuantly has a thing about me(god knows why) and has to dissagree with any post i make. Another reason why i don't bother on Ausmini anymore.................


have a nice life old man

Aaron
Must be too young to know anything

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steady lads some of us might resemble some of these remarks there are always 2 sides to a story maybe 3 or 4 but 9Y(Mick) is a great volunteer for both club racing and car club stuff and all credit to him for doing it, I can also see the other side when a commercial identity runs these meetings and uses the resources of the club scene without putting anything at all back into the scene, at leasy people like the V8s and F1 and A1 could supply accomadation for these people and decent accom not a smelly camping ground. Lets be real for a minute Mr Cachran was rated in the top 50 richest Australians for the last couple of years and Bernie makes 100s of Millions from F1 and the A1 is run by those poor hard done by Arab Emirates and all I can see is people saying hey look after those volunteers a bit better

Jon

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Roundies and Clubbies(except vans) are both ugly that is why I have Midas and a van
1293 Mini Midas Bronze,1275 Clubman van

at least the mini car club gives you a baggy with some treats for being out there doing your thing ...... i have done some super sprints and a few khana's
makka

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Sorry if the truth hurts :
1)but I have noticed in ausmini that it is starting to turn into auskeyboard warriers lately. If someone doesn't agree with something the it turns into a bitch fight ( only have to look at this thread to get my drift.

2) THere appears to be lots of Personal attacts

3) The majority of guys here are great it's just a minority here that expect the world for free and the slightest hint of paying for a event a few people gets start slaging the event and organisers off


The only people who will find this post offensive will be the people who fit into the above description.

If you want to see how people can chat express their views without it turning into a word fight check out mini2


Feralspirit I won't even bother responding to you personal attact on my last post.

Cheers
Brett

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