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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:25 pm 
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I must admit, one thing they blacked out was the names and addresses of previous owners but all the car details were there. It was registered at a Police Station in 1969 and fortunately Vicroads has an archive section where thay have kept all this information and they seem to have people eager to help find it. They showed me the 5 different number plates my car had and then helped me to get the original plates back on the car. It was done as an historic re-issue.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:32 pm 
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Took a while but flute didnt let me down and asked the question as to why I want to know. I own a vehicle which was purchased as a cooper s replica, always will be as far as I am concerned, mainly due to the fact that is doesnt have the correct numbers (and I am happy to have a well sorted replica rather than perhaps own a "genuine" car that may not turn out to be genuine after all.) However, having recently commenced a tidy up on the vehicle and having a good look at it I can tick off most of the points for a genuine body, hence the question re the heater mounts and the fuel pump vent. It now appears that the fuel pump vent was fitted to models other than the cooper s, any further comment on the heater mounts. The question is raised as to wether its a good idea to make all these identifying points public knowledge on forums, I am personally all for it so people can gain the knowledge to not get caught with non genuine cars. Another question is, does the genuine car have any supporting mounts under the "flattened " lip where the oil cooler mounts, mine doesnt by the way. Another, someone mentioned the right hand fuel tank vents should be spot welded to the rear firewall, I have read somewhere that early cars didnt have this feature????? Mine doesnt but it does have holes which are filled with factory type filler.Thanks for the comments thus far.


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Earliest S's only had two holes about 3-5mm on the right hand side for the beather pipe lining up in conjunction with the left handside spotweled breather tags. Then the holes had a clip for the breather line. Around 67/68 the tags became spotwelded. I am referring to the right hand side breather line tags. Also early S's didn't have three tags on the underside of the rear parcel tray to help retain the breather lines.
The front horizontal oil cooler was retained by an upside down L shaped bracket - four screws at the top, the front 2 screws through the oil cooler then body then bracket, the other back 2 through the oil cooler then bracket.
Then 2 - one each side, vertical down the front of the body.
Where is the Voltage regulator?
Any photos of inside the boot?
Should be two holes on the boot floor roughly underneath the right breather line tags. One for the power from the battery, one for the left tank breather line.
How is the right tank mounted?
Early S's didn't have the front 45 degree strenghtening panel as they did not have a horizontal oil cooler.
Photos would be good for verification.
Years ago a lot of performance cars were debadged or altered to save on expensive performance insurance prices.


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Welcome to ausmini by the way oldtimer! Sorry for being nosey.

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 Post subject: Re: identifying cooper s
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:10 am 
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oldtimer wrote:
Another question is, does the genuine car have any supporting mounts under the "flattened " lip where the oil cooler mounts, mine doesnt by the way.


Maybe this might help;-

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For years I've been looking for a part no. for those little round plastic spacers for the grille. 24A 1152 Thanks GT.
Does anyone have any?

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(from the service bulletin above) Cooper 'S' - Cars built after 1 January 1966 are fitted with oil coolers as standard equipment.


Please note that this is for the UK cars.

All Australian Cooper S had an oil cooler as standard fitment. 1965-built cars had a vertically-mounted 9-row oil cooler mounted to the engine. Cars from (about) January 1966 had the horizontal 13-row oil cooler mounted to the body (as per the illustration).

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The question is raised as to wether its a good idea to make all these identifying points public knowledge on forums, I am personally all for it so people can gain the knowledge to not get caught with non genuine cars.


I agree. The more information that is readily available, the easier it is for people to check the authenticity of cars.

Yes, more information also makes it possible for unscrupulous people to better fake a car, but one would hope that if more people are aware of what to look for, then fakers will have to spend a lot more time and money in getting fake cars detail-correct. That in turn may make it more costly to do than it is worth. Let them turn their attention to other makes of car, for which there is not as tight a community - the Mini community does not need these sort of people.

Let's face it, there will always be people prepared to rip off others with cars that are not what they seem, but a better-educated public on what to look out for does help reduce this.

I have had this sort of debate with other people over time, and unfortunately there are still people who hold on to snippets of information that they feel would somehow cause a spate of fake cars to be built if the information is known. I on the other hand believe the opposite - that fewer fake cars would be built if the public is better educated to spot them.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:34 pm 
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thanks once again for the comments.
kaka, ref the right hand breather holes, they are situated in the same position on the right side as the left hand breather line holes.
The voltage regulator is situated on the right wing about 4" forward of the firewall.
There are two holes on the boot floor underneath the breather line , the inner one carries the battery cable and the outer has a grommet in it with a small diameter for the breather line.
The right tank is mounted with a similar two piece strap as the left one, the top half of which goes to the rear seat upright and on the inside of the seat upright there there are two vertical "straps" which are possibly spot welded to the upright.
I will post some photos at a later date.


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This is how the right hand tank mounts sit inside my car...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:00 pm 
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Yes same as that thanks morris 1100


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so obviously the fuel tank holder brakets were fitted after painting!

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All those items are as factory should. If it is a copy somebody has done his homework. Any photos yet?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:04 pm 
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Back again, but cannot work out how to post images. Any simple instructions available?. Reference your images of the right tank mounts morris 1100, this car is the same, unpainted and dont look to have ever been.


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see here- http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10405

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watto wrote:

All Australian Cooper S had an oil cooler as standard fitment. 1965-built cars had a vertically-mounted 9-row oil cooler mounted to the engine. Cheers,
Watto.


You mean this one;-

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