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If you have the gear ratio exactly matched to the peak power vs aerodynamic drag equilibrium point, then you will be able to get to the maximum speed of the given car. This is rarely the case because you have to calculate it and then change things to make it happen. Plus making this happen is not useful for a road car as all of the ratios needed to get it to the top speed will make it a pig to drive normally.

So if your peak power is at 6500 rpm then you work out from that what the equivalent speed is to have equilibrium from aerodynamic drag (yes plus rolling friction etc, but we'll keep it simple because the aero drag is the limiting case eh?). In other words the work being done by the engine is exactly the same as the work required to push through the air at that speed.

Now we make the overall gear ratio in the top have the engine running at exactly 6500 rpm. Drive the car to find out the top speed. Use something other than the speedo to measure it, because the speedo will be wrong.

Obviously for a given torque, more revs equals more power, equals higher top speed. But (echo from Matt :lol: ) HORSES FOR COURSES. Shifting the torque band up the rev range by changing cams, heads etc will also increase peak power and for a given Cd and frontal area, will thus increase the top speed.

Someone go and do the experiment and report back on your results.

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Austin A40 Farina


Thought Farina was 'fine flour' in Italian - what has that got to do with a car?

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Austin A40 Farina


Thought Farina was 'fine flour' in Italian - what has that got to do with a car?


it's the guys name...


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Farina (as in Pininfarina) is an Italian design house, they have designed (and sometimes made the bodies of) countless makes over the years including some Fiat, Lancia, Maserati, Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, and various UK cars including said A40 Farina (which is mostly a Morris Minor 1000 mechanically).
It was one of the world's first `hatchbacks'.
see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pininfarina

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I am having a seniors moment here. There were a few Italian design houses at that time and later. I know Bertone and Ghia but who were the others ????

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I am having a seniors moment here. There were a few Italian design houses at that time and later. I know Bertone and Ghia but who were the others ????

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Bertone. Pininfarina, Vignale, Ghia, Zagato, Frua, Carrozzeria Touring etc

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64mini wrote:
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I am having a seniors moment here. There were a few Italian design houses at that time and later. I know Bertone and Ghia but who were the others ????

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Bertone. Pininfarina, Vignale, Ghia, Zagato, Frua, Carrozzeria Touring etc


How about Italdesign - you know the one run by the master Giorgetto Giugiaro - responsible for the likes of the Iso Grifo

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funny how no-one wants to associate the Italdesign company with this gem :lol:
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funny how no-one wants to associate the Italdesign company with this gem :lol:
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The reason is that while Italdesign was hired to do a facelift on the Marina their design was knocked back and the facelift was done by one of the Leyland in-house stylists. The marketing department knew of the association of Italdesign in the facelift process and changed the name of the car from Morris Marina to Morris Ital even though there was no Ital in the design. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The Marina was actually a huge success. It was a fairly simple car to make with a high profit margin and they made thousands of them.


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assuming the speedo is correct in the first place

That's not relevant. :P If we're talking indicated 60mph, then we're talking implied 104mph. If he had my current speedo, indicating 60mph, he'd have sirens and lights after him... :lol: We can't be held responsible for the quality of the information we're given - if the input data's wrong, then it's not our fault the output's wrong. Same deal as computers get! :P
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assuming the taco is right in the 2nd place :-)

But this is Hanra - he's probably spent $2k on his tacho, calibrated it to 0.00001Hz, and there's probably 48207 photos of it on here. :P
No offense intended Hanra. :wink:


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