Coatsie

Glad to get some support.
There are plenty of mini people who talk about
running but it would be great to get some numbers to the supermini series before there is no series left to run our cars in.

A few original cars are now restored and they tell me they will run with us at wakefield park under AASA.Also two new cars in Melbourne soon to be finished.

We understand distance & costs are a problem,the miglia series in UK had entry numbers as low as ten ( 10 ) cars last year.Their series costs for a seasons racing are between 20-25,000 pounds a year !

We have had 30 minis race in the series since the 50th race meeting in 2011 so it would be great to get some of those cars running more often.

AB.

I figure if we can get a few guys together it would be a good run south, and an easy way to reduce costs a bit. AB if we can spark enough interest any chance we can get a round of the MRA to be run up here in QLD. Lakeside is a AASA track. Would be good to see you fellas punting it up here.

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1970 Cooper S ex-Bathurst & ATCC
1964 Austin Cooper S ex-Group C race car
1967 Morris Cooper S ex-Group B
1962 Mini Speed sports sedan
1968-71 ex-Peter Manton Shell car

For sure.

I know the regulars have been mentioning lakeside & Morgan Park for a few years now.
They are looking forward to the Winton meeting in december ( with some old names & cars from the past entering so i'm told ) so a QLD round would be good.

We have struggled to get a website together ( superminis) & maybe a general newsletter is the go to keep ex & current racers up to date.Not everyone has the internet & some people don't get on with computers.
Anyone interested should PM me their details.


AB.

stop talking about it you bunch of old bastards.........pick a date and put it in the calendar. I bet between us and whoever makes the trip from down south we will be able to field a race. If you can muster up 6-8 people from down south we could easily match that and have an event.

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1970 Cooper S ex-Bathurst & ATCC
1964 Austin Cooper S ex-Group C race car
1967 Morris Cooper S ex-Group B
1962 Mini Speed sports sedan
1968-71 ex-Peter Manton Shell car

Sound like state of origin!
Is there Group N cars running at the MRA meets? Sick of losing my pants!
It seems like there are more Group U cars coming out of the woodwork.

Next thing you know AB will be planning a 50 year anniversary race at Bathurst for '66 win!!??

Have had some updates as to state of Build sheets and gearboxes.
Apparently 4 sync boxes are now legal. (although not on build sheet)
Apparently a trial is under way and results may determine whether or not dogboxes will get the nod. Also there are workings underway to tidy up the build sheets.
Could those on here in the know update us when these things are confirmed?









Coatsie. The red ex-Jack Lacey cars (Austin Cooper S and red Group C ) were 2 different cars. I originally thought, and what made sense was, Jack must have turned the Austin into the Group C car, but they both existed at the same time. Ken can tell you about the Group C car as it was his after Jack. Some very clever mods to rear arches etc.
I understand the Austin 'S' ID may have been moved across after a crash (as it was of more value) and this was a common thing back in the day as race car ID was of little value back then. Both great cars and look forward to seeing you run the Group C car down here! It would be very competitive in Group c under 2lt. Go on dive in!

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Ben group N ( app J ) minis have always been welcome within the supermini ranks.

It's a great series to start off in to gain some confidence/experience before going into historic racing or elsewhere, or if you are tired of supersprints/hillclimbs & want a new challenge.

I've taked Greg into racing with the superminis in his Group C car as he is looking to do more than 'beat the clock " at open practise days.

Coatsie. The red ex-Jack Lacey cars (Austin Cooper S and red Group C ) were 2 different cars. I originally thought, and what made sense was, Jack must have turned the Austin into the Group C car, but they both existed at the same time. Ken can tell you about the Group C car as it was his after Jack. Some very clever mods to rear arches etc.
I understand the Austin 'S' ID may have been moved across after a crash (as it was of more value) and this was a common thing back in the day as race car ID was of little value back then. Both great cars and look forward to seeing you run the Group C car down here! It would be very competitive in Group c under 2lt. Go on dive in![/quote]

Ben,
Nice to hear from you its been a while. Mate there were actually 3 of Lacey's minis that ran that time, the first belongs to "Historic racing S" on here, mine is the second and there was a third Austin Cooper S that Jack had at the same time as mine and after. My car is an Austin as well, plate and numbers line up. My car is the one with the firewall, subframe and wheel arch mods etc. Jack sold the car to Ray Buchannan in 80 who sold it to Ken in 81 and Ken ran the car as a Grp C car. Jack didnt sell his third Austin Cooper S (also a genuine car from what I can ascertain) in 1982 long after Kenny had been peddling my car. My car was red all over, the third car was red/white. I've looked into its history pretty extensively and spoken to everyone I can about it, so pretty sure its history is correct. I even have some pics of the car when Jack first got it.

As for the 3rd car, I have been trying to locate it for a while, (another thread on here a while back) Would be good to have both cars back together again. The third car was in fact a 1071 not a 1275.

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1970 Cooper S ex-Bathurst & ATCC
1964 Austin Cooper S ex-Group C race car
1967 Morris Cooper S ex-Group B
1962 Mini Speed sports sedan
1968-71 ex-Peter Manton Shell car

Hey Mate.
Its been ages. I heard you got married? Haven't seen Haynesy for a 1000 years hope he's not holed up in Mexico somewhere! If you speak to him say hey.

That would sound right about the Lacey cars if he had 3. I remember when Julian was selling the Group C car and I thought it may have been the J car Jack had at the same time which was allegedly a 'Sandown 64 ' car. (red /white or black roof I think?)
May place it as early BMC entry? They are in the Mildren DVD.

Your ID numbers are very early aren't they?
I have an article/ad of Jack offering both (App. J and Group C) for sale at the same time. 80's I think? I tried to PM you the ad back then. I will try to dig it out again now I have joined the digital age of scanners. It might make some pieces fall into place as I thought the ad was mid 80's which would place it later then 1980 as you say?

It would mean the last car could be the Sandown car if if I can recall Jacks claims in the ad?

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Hmmm debatable. Will have a lot more info on the pre-Jack history of the cars soon I hope. My car has an Austin Cooper S ID and plate but it isnt an Austin shell, and it is definitely Jacks original shell. (all his ahem, improvements, are still there)
Jack did have a way of convincing the powers that be that the cars were legit. A bit like the forged FIA paperwork that allowed my Group C car to run with some subtle mods. Funny thing is that because CAMS allowed the car to run with the mods, when they finally realised it was too late. The car now must run "as it was" if it were run in historics, which would make it rather competitive. The Cert of Desc has all these mods listed.
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1970 Cooper S ex-Bathurst & ATCC race car (restored)
1967 Cooper S ex-Works Bathurst race car
1964 Austin Cooper S ex-Group C race car (for fun)
1967 Morris Cooper S ex-Group B race car
2011 Lotus Exige Cup 260 (finally arrived)



The fact its no longer the Austn shell may tie in with the accident Ken told me about and then considering how low their value was at the time it was rebuilt into another S shell? A non issue considering it was done in period. According to CAMS the car is entitled to the history of its earlier life.
Will try to dig out the AD as may help by at least putting a date to when Jack owned what cars in comparison log book entries?

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Sorry to hijack this thread guys will turn into PM>

Mate you are correct in that my car is a very early Austin, one of the first 1275's. Jacks 3rd car did have some interesting history but wasnt one of the 1071 sandown cars. I think we have the same for sale ad.

PM sent re Hainsy the mad rooter

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1970 Cooper S ex-Bathurst & ATCC
1964 Austin Cooper S ex-Group C race car
1967 Morris Cooper S ex-Group B
1962 Mini Speed sports sedan
1968-71 ex-Peter Manton Shell car

Greg,, , , Stewy ~s done a couple of Lakeside meetings & quite a few autocrosses in the "thing",,, he`s starting to get on top of the grunt this thing delivers,,,, if you can imagine the power delivery of this thing??? hee hee,,, it`s pretty cool

its ,,, pretty damn ballsy if you can "FEEL" it,,, 1600cc,,, Arden alloy Crossflow,,, 6-speed dog-box,,, (all of you should have a go at imagining this thing`s Grunt) ,,, but dont just imagine it cause i said so,,, do it because you want to

""imagination"" ... ,,, ... only takes up a small part of your brain ... ,,, ...use it wisely

i`m funny sometimes ey?

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

sorry i`m being really pig headed now becsause Peter Thompson (who is one of the very few people in the mini race scene who has actually felt the sort of grunt i was just talking about in that last post... has advertised his race engine

Peter!!!!!!!!!

What are you doing you mad man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????

take that advert off the site & finish the car you idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what do you think you`re doing??????????????????????????

( Edit-> all meant in jest, not being mean or nastey, Peter & i go back a long way)

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

A few too many drinks Matt????

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1970 Cooper S ex-Bathurst & ATCC
1964 Austin Cooper S ex-Group C race car
1967 Morris Cooper S ex-Group B
1962 Mini Speed sports sedan
1968-71 ex-Peter Manton Shell car

OK

I'll ask...who's Peter Thomson...?

Saw the add for the twin cam motor...
and who races a 1600 mini sports sedan in an autocross event...?

Peter is from Toowoomba & used to run a KAD twin-cam 1500cc hollinger box etc etc etc sports sedan mini way back (along with his brother & Derick Holstien) ,,, he`s been really really slack & hasn`t raced for ages & was building up a new space-framed chassis for it, but now has advertised it all & i`m yet to find out why.

& who races a 1600cc mini sports sedan at autocross meetings you ask??? ,,, well,,, Stew & me of course

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.