Anybody noticed the cost of oil going UP? I was down at AutoOne today, Penrite HPR30 etc is $32 for 5L now. Others are creeping up too.

Glad my cheapo Valvoline SF 20W/50 is still only $9.95 for 4L.

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thats what iv been using good stuff it is and cheap too

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I've mentioned it once or twice in relation to other threads, but get used to it. Hurricane Katrina means it will rise even further, and I wouldn't expect it to drop substantially. I realise you're talking about engine oil in particular, but have a look at Life after the oil crash. Even if Matt Savinar is only 1/3 right, it's a nightmare. He's a proponent of the concept of Peak Oil, backed up locally by my friend who's a geologist, and globally by growing number of people.

Basically, geologists have discovered 95% of the world's oil reserves, and the rate of return has dropped from a return of 30 gallons of oil for every gallon expended getting the oil (1950s), to a current ratio of 3:1. When the rate of return approaches 1:1, it is no longer worth pumping it out of the ground, as there is no net gain. Which is bad, not just for people who drive a lot, but for mankind.

It's a little more complicated than I can be bothered going into here, but to put it in perspective, hydrogen (as a replacement for petrol via hydrogen fuel cells) is not a fuel. It takes more energy to create hydrogen gas for fuel cells than you get back in terms of energy. It is a pollution free way to power your car, and nothing else. It does not mean there is no more fuel crisis.

And further, hydrogen fuel cells have a duty life of 200 hours, so they need replacing on an ongoing basis. If all the cars in the US were running fuel cells, the worldwide stocks (in the ground) of platinum (their key raw ingredient) would last how long?













1 year.

That's scary-We should be ok-but what about our children and children's children.......

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Umm, that's the point. The oil crash will be rapid. The US invaded Iraq for oil, basically. What are they and China going to do in the next couple of decades to maintain their economies?

Based on the current numbers, oil will totally run out for most people before 2050.

Now, I don't know about you, but I'm planning on trying to live at least as long as that. And I hope my kids live even longer.

Another interesting and startling fact: The average distance food travels in the US before it reaches your plate:









1,400 miles.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petr ... ply04.html

well i read most of it?
so i dunno what it says

really

do people need to worry.

i think not

Healthy humans can adapt to change
probably any change, its what healthy animals do
so when faced with NO oils things will have changed leading up.
Is there any super soon need to worry.
i dont reckon.
theres plenty of hidden fossil fuels that have not been hacked into yet right down , in and on and around this small island here ( but dont tell anyone )
just when shall we have to use them is the question

things change
and lets see what happens

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Yeah-But can we run our Mini's on fossil fuels??
and if not,what will we do with them.
A Muesum Item????

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just bought penrite hpr5 semi synethic, cost me $44 for 5Ltr ,

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Hmm, quite possibly I've been looking at the worst case scenario. Unfortunately he points to the vested interests in keeping the illusion (of ongoing oil supply) alive. And I respect the opinion of my geologist friend and another friend who works for the Ministry of Economic Development.

I read on CNN or another news website that they estimate China, by the year 2050, will have more cars on their roads than currently exist today.

A client (who's in PR specialising in the automotive industry) said that China is buying up so much steel it's mindboggling. He also said that China is buying so much rubber, mining companies in Australia are buying whole trucks brand new - just for the tyres as they can't buy them otherwise. Their tyres currently cost $300,000 per year. Per truck.

The problem of peak oil is not about being able to find petrol. It's about total collapse of economies, countries and industries. Oil is energy, energy is growth. All economies world wide exist only on growth.

I don't want to be scare-mongering here, I really don't. But as a father, I think it would irresponsible to not to be aware of it, keep an eye on the problem and take steps if need be. You do what you want with that information.

Point taken - it is a finite resource true. I spent the better part of the year protecting the 2 oil terminals in the northern arabian gulf(Al Bushyrr Oil Terminal(ABOT) and Kaz Al Arab Oil Terminal(KAAOT)) and there was no-one on them but Americans - the oil goes through a 60 inch pipe to the mainland (3 miles away) and to Umm Qasar for transport.

OPEC is the big baddie here - they have the biggest cash cow around at the moment - the stuff you hear about is mind boggling. I think it is the Suez crisis all over again. Economies will topple but hope that the US topples first - that way we wont owe a cent...lol

Collusion goes to the highest levels...common sense tells you that.

Hooroo

Rob Forsyth
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From the point of view of how rare Platinum is:
Last year, nearly 7500 tonnes of gold was mined primarily for jewellery use.
However, there was only 68 tonnes of Platinum mined. Its rare, and its bloody expensive.
My Platinum ring that i wear retails for nearly $2000 at your local jeweller. And it is only around 10 grams. Its pricey crap.

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enjoy your minis, we're already driving on borrowed time with these 40 year old cars
chop, slice dice and race em!

what a lot of people dont realise that oil is not only used for cars on the road duh! the price of oil goes up and EVERYTHING will increase in price.... the whole world revolves around this black gold.. nearly everything that is made has had input of some oil in energy value, the food on your plate, the plastics surrounding nearly bloody everything these days... even the inks used for print, fabrics.. all have some kind of input or are a derivative of a refined petroleum product. Such a shame... //rant ermm i'll calm down now

check these out

http://www.bmwworld.com/models/mini/hydrogen.htm

http://www.bmwzentrum.com/exhibits/hydrogen_car.asp

http://www.bmwworld.com/hydrogen/h2r_racer.htm

What is so amazing about these cars is that they are not run on hydrogen fuel cells, they are using the good old internal combustion engine with a few modifications, using liquid hydrogen to fire the pistons... from 2001, wonder why no one has heard of this technological wonder

That statment is not intirely correct.
Yes we do use oil, coal resurves currantly to produce hydrogen (or solar or wind) however when you brake appart the bonds of water into hydrogen and oxygen you get out what you put in!

as an example is you where to use 100w of electricity to make hydrogen and oxygen and you where to convert that back into water again using what ever method you choose, you will get then same amount of power back.

However, in things like internal combustion much of the energy is lost too heat so there for produces now power to use for propolution.

A common misconception is that it takes more energy to create hydrogen and what you get out of it, but that is not the case its just on how effeciatly you use it for energy.

On another note you make the future sound so bleak and that death is inevitable.
But, when the ship hits the ice burg do you hang on for dear life and pray to god to save your soul or jump ship to a life raft and row to another ship.

Hydrogen is not the safest energy source either. Remember the Hindenberg...
One reason bottled hydrogen is not in general use for cars is the molecules are so small it's hard to contain, even in steel tanks. And, its calorific value is far less than most other fuel gases. So you need more of it...

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