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| Author: | KiwiMR2 [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Wonder if this motor would be an easy fit?? |
We just recieved a 1998 Toyota Duet to sell, it has the EJ-DE motor in it. It is a 1000cc motor & looks really small. I'll take some pics of the motor etc. I tried to do some searching on the net for anyone who has done this before but had no luck. I should also take some pics of the 1995 Mini we have.....very cool 
Cheers KiwiMR2 |
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| Author: | 13secmini [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:22 pm ] |
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Are these the things that look like the daihatsu sirion? 1 litre 40 odd kw? Better of with the 1.3L gtti motor, even then not worth it imo. |
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| Author: | KiwiMR2 [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:24 pm ] |
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13secmini wrote: Are these the things that look like the daihatsu sirion? 1 litre 40 odd kw? Better of with the 1.3L gtti motor, even then not worth it imo.
Yeah 44.13 kw's, 94.14 Nm torque. Seems to go well, better than the 1.3 fuel injected motor in the 95 mini. gtti motor......what is that out of? Cheers KiwiMR2 |
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| Author: | blumin [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tojo |
Suzuki Swift GTI 84-95ish G-13B 1298cc Twin Cam Blue |
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| Author: | andbat [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:31 pm ] |
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i am wondering along the sameish lines, what would be the best engine to put in a mini for speed and excel? and also low mantenance? or is it matanence? |
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| Author: | simon k [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:07 pm ] |
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andbat wrote: i am wondering along the sameish lines, what would be the best engine to put in a mini for speed and excel? and also low mantenance? or is it matanence?
both wrong... maintenance the suzuki GTI seems to be the best mix of performance and reliablility, the starlet conversion is for those with a death wish, but the thread in mini mods about a sirion motor makes it look like it fits really easily, not sure how well it would go though... but can't we basically say that almost any new design engine would out perform an A series... ? for the same $$, I'm not comparing a daihatsu motor for $500 with an A series turbo 1330 with trick mods that cost $5000 |
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| Author: | KiwiMR2 [ Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:42 am ] |
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Ok so the G13B, for us that is in the Suzuki Cultus.....upto 1999. That would be ok, assuming it's small, I mean the main reason why i thought the Duet motor (EJDE) is because pysically it is a very small motor. I'll have to try & find a pic of a 1998/1999 G13B to compare it. It seems to make 20 kw's more, and a bit more torque (110.82 NM). Other reason why i thought of the Duet motor is being a 1998 AND Toyota it is bound to be really reliable  Seems both those motors are avaible in manual as well.
Cheers KiwiMR2 |
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| Author: | Mokesta [ Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:22 am ] |
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AFAIK the Sirion 1.3 motor is a Toyota unit, same as Echo/Yaris 1.3. Toyota owns Daihatsu. I expect any of these very modern engines to be too tall due to variable valve timing and narrow angle between valves. The narrow valve angle is for a flatter combustion chamber and better emmissions but it is not as good for power. Suzuki G13B has wide angle and no VVTi and is a snug fit. See http://www.billzilla.org/rcar.htm#engine for some idea of the potential of these engines. M |
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| Author: | Mini Mad [ Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:29 pm ] |
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KiwiMR2 wrote: 13secmini wrote: Are these the things that look like the daihatsu sirion? 1 litre 40 odd kw? Better of with the 1.3L gtti motor, even then not worth it imo. Yeah 44.13 kw's, 94.14 Nm torque. Seems to go well, better than the 1.3 fuel injected motor in the 95 mini. gtti motor......what is that out of? Cheers KiwiMR2 Why bother with all the hassle? Look at our recent dyno day.. My 1152cc put out 34.9Kw atw ok so you can pretty much quote 40Kw at the flywheel conservatively...and that's a small block.. Nearly every 1275+ matched that or beat, making you question why would you spend the thousands of dollars and trouble and hassle of engineering something you could have got for far less trouble? If you are going conversion you might as well make the most of it and start with some serious power that the A-series is unable to cope with reliably or in some cases at all. It's the only reason i'm going down that path. |
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| Author: | KiwiMR2 [ Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:23 am ] |
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Quote: Why bother with all the hassle?
Why bother......the 95 1.3i we have is slower than the duet we have. So either the 1.3i is in need of some serious work or the mini is a hevier. The Duet weighs about 820kg's, what does the 1.3i mini's weigh?? Cheers KiwiMR2 |
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| Author: | Mini Mad [ Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:53 am ] |
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A stock 1.3i mini put out 33.9Kw atw on the same dyno. So less than my 1152 by a couple of Kw.. Sounds like the 95' mini you have is in need of a tune up.. You would struggle to get a mini to weigh over 750Kg..most put it at about 660Kg according to the RTA here.. All i see with attempting this is alot of hassle for little, if any gain over a slightly modified A-series.. You also have to stuff around with modifying the subframe, getting it engineered, which is no small fee? and this is all money that could be spent modifying the existing engine? |
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| Author: | Besser [ Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:01 pm ] |
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Have to agree with SSKN... A newer engine lasts longer and has more scope to modify then a A or A+ Alloy heads dissapate heat better then cast iron so you can run higher comp (or boost) Gear box design has ment 5 speeds instread of 4 and the changes are better. It runs smoother and quieter. If you wanted a full house road 1275 A series then 3-5K is the price range and for that you could almost do a new motor conversion. |
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| Author: | Mini Mad [ Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ++ |
Besser wrote: Have to agree with SSKN... A newer engine lasts longer and has more scope to modify then a A or A+ A newer engine may last longer, but i think your pushing your luck to say that a EJDE has more scope for modication than the 40+ years of development and modifications that the A-series has behind it... Besser wrote: Alloy heads dissapate heat better then cast iron so you can run higher comp (or boost) ...alloy heads also warp easier and he's obviously not going for outright performance, sounds like he just wants something a little more modern, more reliable.. Besser wrote: Gear box design has ment 5 speeds instread of 4 and the changes are better. Ok the extra gear is nice, but better changes? there is nothing to complain about with a well built mini box, they have great feel and especially in remote guise crap all over stock econo jap slug boxes in terms of feel... Besser wrote: It runs smoother and quieter. If you want smoother and quieter, go buy some luxury car, half the fun of driving a car is a aural pleasure. I'm going down the starlet route and it's certainly going to make as much noise as my A-series when i'm through with it.. Besser wrote: If you wanted a full house road 1275 A series then 3-5K is the price range and for that you could almost do a new motor conversion.
You're looking at 6-10k not accounting for any big blowouts in budget to complete a conversion properly, ask people who are currently doing them..it's effectively twice what it would cost to rebuild the a-series. The point i'm trying to make is that if your after big horsepower 150-200+HP then a conversion makes sense because of the extra reliability and it's much cheaper to get that kind of power. Lets face it, the a-series would not last a year in that state of tune if driven regularly. But if all your after is a bit of economy, not much extra power, then i say why bother with it? You can get easy and reliable power out of the a-series provided you don't go for those nutter outputs as above. It'll be far cheaper, just as reliable...I mean a stock 1275 makes that kind of power and would run forever.. /rant |
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