What do you do if you have a body of a mini with no ID or body number?

Also if you have a registered car, and you go and paint it, or if you install another motor with different numbers must you go change the details at Vicroads for example?

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Most states you will have to notify them of an engine change I am not sure about if you paint then though

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A Deluxe(CG13DE), 2 Clubbies(998 and 1275) and 2 Morris 1100Ss

Not sure about Vicroads but if you change the engine in NSW you have to get a blue slip to ensure the car is roadworthy before the RTA will change the number on the records . If the engine number is different (it's on the paperwork and is checked by the mech doing the inspection , I know some gloss over that part but the rules say they have to check vin and engine numbers) when you get the pink slip done for rego renewal they'll send you for a blue slip or cancel the rego . I had to do it when I had an exchange motor fitted to the work ute explained I'd hardly spend $5,500 (Triton V6's aren't cheap , plus new radiator , clutch , machined flywheel etc though) on an unroadworthy car but it didn't help , had to find a mech who did blue slips ......

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Umm, you don't buy it?

You can get a new number reissued by VicRoads, but it's a hassle. Or you can do an identity swap from another shell. But I can't recommend that cos it's illegal.

If you change engine or body colour, you do have to tell VicRoads. For an engine change they have to see the engine in the car and a receipt for it. They just do the number change, not a full-on inspection. Not sure what happens for colour change.

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Brett Nicholson
Greendale (near Ballan) VIC.
1971 Morris Mini Moke
1966 Austin Mini
1965 Morris Mini Traveller
1973 LR Series 3 88
2007 LR Freelander 2

Paint colour - yes
Engine number - definately yes
In WA id doesn't cost anything to change those details.

You must have a number stamped on the body!
You can get a new number issued, but for the hassle you'd be better off cutting the number out of a junked car - oops, did I say that

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Too many cars, and too little time.

when you mean a new number reissued by vicroads, how much hassle are we actually talking about, like what processes do you have to go through?

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The VIN (body number) on my wife's 1100S is 4573 (or something very close) I just swapped the car to club plates and when the RTA lady was processing the info she just looked at me and said it that the whole number. ???

She smiled and i knew no further comment was necessary. I am restoring a early panel van that has no id plate - just a number on the radiator shroud. That is fairly common and causes no grief on the early cars.

i dont know if this is any help...
my engine number got restamped at the police inspection because it wasnt on the RTA records..
i dont think you have to pay for it... but don't quote me on that

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i'm in a similar sit. i have a shell with no compliance plate, but both chassis numbers are on the car(radiator shoud and firewall). do i just ask rta if they have to issue another compliance plate or something? they should have all of its info though from those numbers. just needs to have a year of manufacture found for it i guess

Both chassis numbers ? Are they both the same or different numbers ? Does the one on the firewall have a hole drilled either side of it about right for a compliance plate ? Shouldn't need an actual compliance plate (what year is it?) , just quote the body number .

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diff numbers. not sure what the one on the firewall is for. the compliance plate is usually riveted to the inner right front guard down from the fuse box. u have no idea what year it is because that is only stamped onto the compliance plate.

Two places that give you an idea of the year of manufacture is the bootlid lock on the inside and the wiper motor. Both have a date stamped on them. Hopefully neither have been changed in the pasage of the years.

I think there are a few misconceptions about ID numbers and Compliance numers and plates.

1. Any car produced before ADR's were introduced does NOT have a vin number or compliance plate. This applies to any make of car. If you have a car prior to this then it really is rafferty's rules and you can probably get away with just about anything.

2. The ID plate put on the cars prior to ADR's is only a factory ID not a registration or compliance ID. The cars prior to ADR compliance plates had two ID numbers, one on the body and one on the radiator panel. Compliance plated cars had only the number on the radiator panel. This is my understanding of how the cars were identified prior to ADR compliance plate but I could be wrong.

3. Any car without a number and if it is after ADR's were introduced, had better have a number or the next time it is registered or it must comply with the CURRENT ADR compliance requirements to be given a number by the RTA/Vicroads etc. It would also not be advisable to advertise the lack of numbers in a public forum IMO. Re-birthing by using a number from another car is plainly illegal but is in reality done routinely by both the criminal element and those just seeking to restore a car with no illegal intent. If a car missing a number pre dates ADR's I leave it to your imagination as to how easy it would be to deal with that problem. I think that in reality if a wrecked car sitting in a paddock had its numbers removed for use on another car and you could guarantee the integrity of those numbers, who is going to know? All sorts of things are done, which in the end are not seeking to gain monetery gain and is not part of a systematic abuse of the system like organised re-birthing.
I would never encourage anyone to change numbers or compliance information an any car as the judicial system takes a very dim view of this practise.

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Chris

Everything I like is either
illegal, immoral or fattening.

What year model is it?

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Chris

Everything I like is either
illegal, immoral or fattening.

Do these rules apply to new heritage shells? Say I wanted to build a road going mini with a shell from BMH, and had a "new" engine built, would I be able to register it?

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