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Author:  mattywood [ Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:27 pm ]
Post subject:  air conditioning
Can anyone tell me if I can fit late model mini a/c to an early mini?

What is the cost, difficulty, any mods needed and should I seek professional help (I have no idea on electics) ?
Author:  Harley [ Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:53 pm ]
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If somone says the number $1000 (part cost) do you want to continue the conversation? :D
Author:  drmini in aust [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:27 am ]
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I reckon it wouldn't be too hard to adapt a small jap car A/C setup eg Daewoo Matiz, we will go trawl the wreckers soon.... 8)
Author:  Convertible Mini [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:55 am ]
Post subject:  Air Con Fitting !
First I would ask Myself. Do I want to fit Daewoo Air con bits in My Mini ? No thanks. and not to any other car. Leave them at the wreckers in the Daewoo wher they belong.
Author:  Mokesta [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:09 am ]
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You can buy the AC off a Jap Rover from someone who imports them. (someone say Steve at Brickworx??). I sold the complete kit from my 1994 Rover to a guy on this forum for $550 including the glove box on the dash, all trim and alternator. It would be a very easy install with some holes to cut in the car to get pipes and air ducts through. If you ware running an A+ block then the compressor/alternator bracket would slip straight on. Otherwise you'd need to mod the bracket. All other parts just go straight together. A little bit of wiring and cut the driver's side inner guard for air flow to the condenser. About $100 for the mobile AC man to come & purge the system then put the gas in and Uncle Bob..
On a carby car you may need to set the idle speed a bit higher because it wouldn't have the computer increasing the idle to compensate. I would also add a full-throttle cut out in the wire that drive the AC clutch so that when you need to go quick, she doesn't have the extra load. Better for pulling out into fast traffic.

Be sure to get the latest model you can but not the 1999 and later ones. Early ones use R12, the old nasty gas and post 1999 ones use a multi-vee belt on the compressor/alternator/crank pulley.

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Author:  Morris 1100 [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:56 am ]
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I will go along with the doc on this and say that the small jap/korean car aircon is the go.
A lot of the jap stuff has three separate boxes under the dash. 1) Fan unit. 2) Heater unit. 3) Air con unit. If the car is built without air it will have a spacer duct between the heater and fan units.

Just go to the wreckers and grab the smallest aircon unit that you can find and then grab the compressor that looks like it will fit best and then find a condensor that will fit in behind the grille and then get your local air con guy to make the hoses.

If you have a Minimatic heater under the bonnet, it would be very easy to fit any aircon unit uner the dash. :shock:
Author:  drmini in aust [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:10 pm ]
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What M1100 said ^^^, and this is exactly why I am looking at it this way.
The last thing I want is an A series motor hidden under piles of A/C and other crap like a Rover is, I'm sure if Rover were to do it today it would be done different.
In an Oz 77 van, A/C is A/C. I don't give a tinker's cuss what it comes off- provided it works, fits unobtrusively, and doesn't drag heaps of power to run. 8) :D
Author:  Morris 1100 [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:40 pm ]
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I would use a factory Rover air-con because everyone knows that the British are the Air-con experts due to their hot climate! 8)

I have the workshop manual for the factory air-con in the Princess Vanden-Plas 1100 (luxury Morris 1100) :shock: A huge York piston compressor........ Turn on the air and stall the motor!
Author:  min13k [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:45 pm ]
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i think they were retro fitted in japan not in pomgolia
makka
Author:  Harley [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:51 pm ]
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The jap car were built with the autos and aircon in Britan, just not sold there.
(I think :D :? )
Author:  mattywood [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:46 pm ]
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Sounds like it can be done with some efftort. I reckon for ease a rover a/c might be the best as the vents and controllers etc are already suited to the car. I know brickworx had one for sale last year. If you could get a/c on to a mini for a reasonable price it would be worth it.

I have been attracted to buying a rover mini because of the a/c but they are only 998 and I really like look or the ealier minis especially 850s but the ventilation is not that crash hot in an 850.
Author:  bnicho [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:19 pm ]
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I think we need a sticky for Air Con. It comes up every six months or so.

There are two types of air con fitted to the Minis sent to Japan. The earlier type, from the mid 80's to the mid-90s had an under-dash unit that aimed the cold air at the passengers knees and the condenser fitted behind the grille on an angle above the clutch housing. This one is the easiest to fit to an early car. All it needs is relocated heater hoses and a few holes for the brackets under the dash. This is the type I have stored for future use in my Traveller.

http://www.geocities.com/b_nicho/TravProj3.htm

The other type is the vents-in-the-centre-dash type. The condenser fits on the clutch side inner guard.

Both types place the air con pump in the alternator bracket and the pump is relocated higher on the block and driven off the alternator pulley.

Replicating should not be hard if you are keen. Various 70's Mercedes and BMW had an under dash unit that is similar to the Mini one. A Toyota Tercel condenser is very similar in size to a Mini one. Add a dryer and pump from a small car, and mount the pump where the pollution pump goes on a late Clubman, and off you go. :)
Author:  mattywood [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:59 pm ]
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Can those early a/c be adapted to suit modern cfc free gases?
Author:  mattywood [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:59 pm ]
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oh ya and the link didn't work
Author:  bnicho [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:03 pm ]
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mattywood wrote:
Can those early a/c be adapted to suit modern cfc free gases?


I'd assume so as theres a lot of 80's imports around running R134 with working air. The R12 gas must be expelled before export from Japan, and you can't fill them with R12 again on arrival.

Cheers,
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