ausmini :: View topic - electrical problem... dizzy? tacho?

When you took off from here Saturday, it sounded ragged momentarily in first . PC reckons igniter still.

I have a similar issue with NAV and i am also running a pulsar dizzy.
Among many things i pulled the wires from the alternator and it stopped jumping around.
It also stops when there is a light on i.e brakes interior. with the alternator hooked up.
I'm gathering my alternator is on its way out (again :roll:

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See if this helps you.

Have you replaced the cap and rotor? My pulsar did this for ages on number 1 until i replaced the lot. About $40 for Bosch ones at Repco for both.

When you buy a pulsar dissy from the wreckers, you don't know what condition it's in so you're best to replace whatever you can...

The rotor is still the original one though. is there any way of visually checking if it has a problem? G

checked the rotor and its looking a bit off...

I woulda thought though, that if there was a problem with the rotor causing the spark to fail, the tacho might show the revs dropping, not rising???

problem solvered...
:oops:

I ended up buying a new rotor anyway since they're cheap and the old one was a bit worn as well as being grubby. I put the new rotor on, put the cap back in place and started screwing it in. as i turned the screwdriver, the whole dizzy moved and i thought that can't be good so checked and it was loose as anything - the 2 bolts that hold the flange onto the block were loose :oops:

so i picked a spot randomly and checked the timing and it was maxing out to just under 30* which is where it used to be set - tightened it up and it runs perfectly.

now might try some more advance to see if it goes any better...
must remember to check simple/obvious things first...
no wonder it wasn't liking the dyno and drags much with the dizzy wobbling around...

G

So i was right after all! If you didn't replace your rotor you would have not discovered the whobbling dissy :wink:

Author:	GeoffP [ Mon May 01, 2006 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:	electrical problem... dizzy? tacho?
Gday all... I've got this (electrical i think) problem with the mini... first got the idea that something was wrong at the dyno day we had where my power was down on what i expected, then at the drags my times were down on last visit because it was missing once it was over 6000rpm, also started to notice that the tacho keeps jumping all the time. Then it started getting a bit rough cruising around 3000rpm - missing and stuff. At first i thought it might be the leads, coz some time back they started shorting out where holes had rubbed through the rubber bit on the end of the lead where the cap was pushing against the grille, so i created some more room to stop it happening again and taped up the holes with electrical tape and it ran fine for the next 14 months. Anyway I replaced the leads on Saturday and I thought the problem was solved - ran a bit smoother - but i still feel it giving very slight misses all the time and the tacho needle jumps up about 1000rpm momentarily - the needle barely stays still - always jumping around... and its still not as 'revvy' as it was before so i think the problem is still there... Suggestions I've had are to replace the igniter unit in the dizzy (its the d4r85 pulsar one) and to try disconnecting the tacho to see if its the cause of the missing. haven't had a chance to try these yet but has anyone else had similar problems or know what would cause it? thanks G

Author:	Al Munday [ Mon May 01, 2006 11:33 pm ]
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When you took off from here Saturday, it sounded ragged momentarily in first . PC reckons igniter still.

Author:	NAV [ Tue May 02, 2006 12:36 pm ]
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I have a similar issue with NAV and i am also running a pulsar dizzy. Among many things i pulled the wires from the alternator and it stopped jumping around. It also stops when there is a light on i.e brakes interior. with the alternator hooked up. I'm gathering my alternator is on its way out (again ) See if this helps you.

Author:	Lillee [ Tue May 02, 2006 12:41 pm ]
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Have you replaced the cap and rotor? My pulsar did this for ages on number 1 until i replaced the lot. About $40 for Bosch ones at Repco for both. When you buy a pulsar dissy from the wreckers, you don't know what condition it's in so you're best to replace whatever you can...

Author:	GeoffP [ Tue May 02, 2006 1:39 pm ]
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Al Munday wrote: When you took off from here Saturday, it sounded ragged momentarily in first . PC reckons igniter still. Yeah he thought there was something on here about a part number for the igniter but i haven't found it yet... EDIT: just called Rockingham Nissan for a price. They quoted $600 ex-Japan don't think i'll be ordering one of those in... NAV wrote: I have a similar issue with NAV and i am also running a pulsar dizzy. Among many things i pulled the wires from the alternator and it stopped jumping around. It also stops when there is a light on i.e brakes interior. with the alternator hooked up. I'm gathering my alternator is on its way out (again ) See if this helps you. I know my alternator's not 100%. Its still doing its job (but only just). Maybe thats the reason??? 68Delux wrote: Have you replaced the cap and rotor? My pulsar did this for ages on number 1 until i replaced the lot. About $40 for Bosch ones at Repco for both. When you buy a pulsar dissy from the wreckers, you don't know what condition it's in so you're best to replace whatever you can... When I bought it, i had it cleaned and regraphed, and the cap is/was new. The rotor is still the original one though. is there any way of visually checking if it has a problem? G

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Author:	9YaTaH [ Tue May 02, 2006 5:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Alternatively....
Sounds like a rectifier in your alternator may not be doing its job....if it is the plug in module type - it could be a very easy fix.

Author:	Lillee [ Tue May 02, 2006 5:47 pm ]
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Yes if the rotor is worn it will be visibly worn on the tip. It may also be slack (whobble abit). That said I replaced mine which looks good and it made a diference... The other thing is, what coil are you running? you should be using a GT40R? and not a GT40?

Author:	9YaTaH [ Tue May 02, 2006 5:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Rule Number 17
GeoffP wrote: The rotor is still the original one though. is there any way of visually checking if it has a problem? G Home Mechanics 101 - Rule Number 17 - Groups and Pairs - for the best, reliable results. Some things should be replaced from time to time in groups or pairs, for example, a group of ignitions leads or in this case, a dissy cap and rotor.

Author:	Morris 1100 [ Tue May 02, 2006 6:10 pm ]
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Another rule.......... When you have a problem only try one thing at a time. There is no point changing the dizzy and the coil to try to fix a problem because if it works you will not know if it was the dizzy or the coil that was crook!

Author:	GeoffP [ Tue May 02, 2006 10:43 pm ]
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checked the rotor and its looking a bit off... I woulda thought though, that if there was a problem with the rotor causing the spark to fail, the tacho might show the revs dropping, not rising???

Author:	9YaTaH [ Tue May 02, 2006 10:57 pm ]
Post subject:	OK
GeoffP wrote: checked the rotor and its looking a bit off... I woulda thought though, that if there was a problem with the rotor causing the spark to fail, the tacho might show the revs dropping, not rising??? Don't look three bad...just needs a light going over with some fine emery paper...or a very fine file...you just want to see bright metal on the end facing us, clean up the top behind the vertical face back a couple of mills in from the front and get some steel wool or a scourer on the dimple in the middle of the brass top where the carbon dohickey makes contact....just shine it up. Ohhhhh and get an Auto Electrician to check the waveform and electrical output of your alternator.

Author:	GeoffP [ Tue May 16, 2006 7:50 pm ]
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problem solvered... I ended up buying a new rotor anyway since they're cheap and the old one was a bit worn as well as being grubby. I put the new rotor on, put the cap back in place and started screwing it in. as i turned the screwdriver, the whole dizzy moved and i thought that can't be good so checked and it was loose as anything - the 2 bolts that hold the flange onto the block were loose so i picked a spot randomly and checked the timing and it was maxing out to just under 30* which is where it used to be set - tightened it up and it runs perfectly. now might try some more advance to see if it goes any better... must remember to check simple/obvious things first... no wonder it wasn't liking the dyno and drags much with the dizzy wobbling around... G

Author:	9YaTaH [ Tue May 16, 2006 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Ouch!!
GeoffP wrote: problem solvered... I ended up buying a new rotor anyway since they're cheap and the old one was a bit worn as well as being grubby. I put the new rotor on, put the cap back in place and started screwing it in. as i turned the screwdriver, the whole dizzy moved and i thought that can't be good so checked and it was loose as anything - the 2 bolts that hold the flange onto the block were loose so i picked a spot randomly and checked the timing and it was maxing out to just under 30* which is where it used to be set - tightened it up and it runs perfectly. now might try some more advance to see if it goes any better... must remember to check simple/obvious things first... no wonder it wasn't liking the dyno and drags much with the dizzy wobbling around... G Minis can be frustrating like that.....the dissy has one postion (usually) set and forget....but things like this can catch anyone out....you know this one now

Author:	Lillee [ Tue May 16, 2006 9:26 pm ]
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So i was right after all! If you didn't replace your rotor you would have not discovered the whobbling dissy

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Author:	9YaTaH [ Tue May 16, 2006 9:28 pm ]
Post subject:	whobbling dissy??
68Delux wrote: So i was right after all! If you didn't replace your rotor you would have not discovered the whobbling dissy Settle 68...its wobbling