Mate no mk1 has a complince plate, they did not get put on to cars untill late 69
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| Author: | builtbyj [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | mk1 cooper s , no compliance plate !! |
looking at purchasing a mk1 cooper s , hesitant as compliance plate is missing , current owner of 28 years says it's never had one to there knowledge . four rivets in place where it should be ! Is definately a genuine mk1 , everythings there . how common is this in mk1's ? can i assume this is normal ? any advise ? |
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| Author: | feralsprint [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:25 pm ] |
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Mate no mk1 has a complince plate, they did not get put on to cars untill late 69
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| Author: | JAM_IT [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:26 pm ] |
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It is NOT a compliance plate. Vehicles of this age had nothing to comply with. It is an IDENTIFICATION plate, which states Body number, engine number and exterior colour. It should be located behind master cylinders on the firewall. Compliance plates started in 1970 or thereabouts, and were not fitted in this same location. |
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| Author: | Matt68 [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:54 pm ] |
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The Identification plate was affixed with 2 rivets, one at each end. There was a period when they didn't come with the plate, I think it was late mk 1 or early mk2. Before the compliance plates became compulsory. Check for the body type stamped on the radiator shroud, and the chassis number stamped on the firewall behind the MCs, below where the ID plate would have been if there was an ID plate. 
cheers Matt |
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| Author: | sports850 [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:01 pm ] |
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My 69 van has a build/ID plate and directly below it is another plate of the same size saying something on the lines of warranty will be void on the removal of either plate , not sure when they started or stopped using the extra plate but I've seen a few mini's with them on , could explain the two sets of holes (4 holes as you say) . I don't think it really matters now as you'll hardly be chasing warranty from the factory on it  , but it won't affect rego as they didn't have a compliance plate , just ID or build plates (same thing , different people call them different names ) and these weren't as binding as a compliance plate , the vin stamped on the body is the important one ..
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:15 pm ] |
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Yeah SC850, vans had that warranty void plate but sedans didn't.
P/O put one on Barney our pretend S...
Most 1969 cars from March 69? had NO ID plate, or VIN plate either. VIN plates came out in Dec 1969. |
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| Author: | Morris 1100 [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:33 pm ] |
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In the books I have one book states that... Quote: The identification plate was deleted from some Saloon Models in June 1969, the car identification code being stamped on the top of the radiator cowl. And another book states that.... Quote: Compliance Plate
The serial number, date of manufacture, seating capacity and the number of Australian Design Rules incorporated in the vehicle are shown on this plate. All cars produced since January 1st 1970 carry this plate. |
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| Author: | DOZ [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:13 pm ] |
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I have a late Mk1 and it has the later wipers ala Mk2. This makes it Mk1&1/2 I guess. I am not sure of the exact date as it is only a rolling shell but the number is 5###. It has I.D. plate. I am pretty sure the only ones that had neither I.D. plate or VIN plate were during 69 as above. Anyway, mine has a 4 digit body number, check the body number under the 4 holes and see if it has more. Check other clues such as dates on wiper motor etc Given that my shell is a very late Mk1 (due to the wipers) with a plate on it, I am pretty sure that all Mk1's came out like this. |
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| Author: | Morris 1100 [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:25 pm ] |
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DOZ wrote: I have a late 67-early 68 Mk1 and it has the later wipers ala Mk2. This makes it Mk1&1/2 I guess. My "S" is mid 68 and it has the early wiper pattern. My car number is 40##. (Sorry I don't want to share the full number with the internet.)
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| Author: | JAM_IT [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:37 pm ] |
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My inlaws have 2 S's. The 67 has early type wipers. The 68 (build 43##) has the later type wipers. |
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| Author: | clubmn [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:46 pm ] |
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I m8 down the road has had his cooper S since new. Never had any ID Plate on it!!!. |
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| Author: | miniron [ Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:45 am ] |
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ID plates were used up til the end of 68. Presumably all cars built to end of 68 production would have had an ID plate. 69 production cars did not have any ID plate at all and VIN plates were used from the latter part of 69 in anticipation of their mandatory use from Jan 70. Don't confuse build date, which is at best an approximation for cars built up to end of 68, the date it actually left the factory and the date of first registration. There are body numbers, car numbers, model codes and production codes. You need to have ALL of these correct for a genuine car. Just because it has all the bits doesn't make it a genuine car. The one way to tell if it is a genuine S is to check the production code stamped on the radiator shroud. It will be M2 06 for a genuine S body. The BODY number should also be stamped on the radiator shroud. As well as the production code, the model codes are YKG2S2 for a Mk 1 S and YG2S4 for a Mk2 with a VIN plate (note no K). For cars built in 69 without either an ID or VIN plate ie early Mk2 S, I'm not sure if they had the K in the car code. I think the car code was stamped on the radiator surround panel on Mk 2 cars but not 100% certain. Mk 2 owners info needed here. Body numbers start from 0001 and car numbers start from 501. There should be approx 500 difference between the car number and the body number, but BMC didn't get it exact all the time. My own Mk1 has a 504 number difference. On a Mk1 S the CAR number should be stamped on the firewall behind the clutch master cylinder below the ID plate. The number was stamped AFTER the car was painted. The wiper panel was changed around the end of 67 or early 68 with the change to the OZ type Lucas wiper motor. This was around the time the upholstery pattern was changed from the first type to the second type on Mk1 S cars. I used to think it was concurrent with the wiper change but I have seen one car with early type wiper panel and late type upholstery so its unclear as to when the two changes were introduced. Also be aware that the Mini K car code was YG2S1 and there are some dodgy Mk 2 S cars that started life as Mini K's. It's pretty easy to overstamp the 1 with a 4 on the VIN plate to fake a Mk2 S. It's much harder to change the car number as there were only about 2500 Mk2 s cars built but many more Mini K's than this. Hope this helps but do a search for more info. Regards RonR |
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