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Author:  Mick [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:30 am ]
Post subject:  Wayward Oil Pressure
I jumped in the Mini this morning and was shocked to see that oil pressure had dropped to 35-40 PSI runningand 25 at idle. Now the oil pressure was spot-on in the Cooper yesterday at 100 PSI running and 75 PSI at hot idle.

What could cause the oil presure to drop so dramatically? I'm thinking the pressure relief spring or valve has jammed, and I'm guessing(read:hoping) there's no spun bearings or anything as the mini only got midly thrashed yesterday.

Any other ideas?
Author:  Matt68 [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:42 am ]
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Check the pressure gauge. I had a similar problem but the capilliary line had become loose on the back of the gauge. (oil in behind dash, not fun)

Check oil level?

If it is a correct reading then take out the oil pressure relief valve, check / clean etc.

How long since you did an oil change? How old is the filter?

Did you block off the oil bypass in the oil filter head? If so and the filter is being blocked.....

Hope this helps

Cheers
matt
Author:  Lillee [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:41 am ]
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Yeah oil level would be my first reaction...
Author:  Mick [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:50 am ]
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Nah oil level is spot on, I reckon I would hang my head in shame if I let the oil level get too low :oops:

The oil change was less than a thousand ago including filter, I don't think my filter housing has the bypass (it's the orignal one fitted to the MK2 S and as such I don't believe it had a switch or the bypass did it? I might be wrong). If it did, would this cause the pressure to drop? I thought it only opened because the oil pressure on that side of the filter was HIGHER than normal, and therefore was only trying to ma\intain the normal pressure.

I'm hoping it might be the relief spring, but I'm also hoping it isn't anything deeper, like a gallery plug, spun bearing or something.
Author:  Matt68 [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:45 am ]
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Mick wrote:
The oil change was less than a thousand ago including filter, I don't think my filter housing has the bypass (it's the orignal one fitted to the MK2 S and as such I don't believe it had a switch or the bypass did it? I might be wrong). If it did, would this cause the pressure to drop? I thought it only opened because the oil pressure on that side of the filter was HIGHER than normal, and therefore was only trying to maintain the normal pressure.


The bypass in the filter head (perhaps only present in the later spin on type) is to let oil circulate if the filter gets blocked. if the filter is getting blocked (which it wouldn't be in your case) then the pressure may drop. Particularly if you don't have the valve to let oil circulate.

It is looking mst likely to be the oil pressure relief valve / spring. Pull em out and have a look!

Cheers
Matt
Author:  Mick [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:00 pm ]
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Okey Dokey, will do.
Author:  TheMiniMan [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:11 pm ]
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Might need to clean out the "pressure limit valve" in the side of the block,,,sh!t/crud can jam it open(ish) :-)
Author:  Matt68 [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:55 pm ]
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TheMiniMan wrote:
Might need to clean out the "pressure limit valve" in the side of the block,,,sh!t/crud can jam it open(ish) :-)


Hi Matt, is this something different to the oil pressure relief valve?

Cheers
matt
Author:  Mick [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:22 pm ]
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Just pulled the pressure spring and ball bearing then (and also fitted my D4R85 dizzy too....ver nice), cleaned it and then re-installed.

Still the oil pressure is low at 35-50 PSI . I'm thinking now I might have a bung oil pressure gauge (I was piddling around up there putting in some globes into the speedo), maybe I buggered the gauge up somehow. I've never had anything except full pressure ever on that engine..
Author:  drmini in aust [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:55 pm ]
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A common problem on Minis with the 9/16" steel ball put in there.

What happens now is the pressure forces the ball back off its seat, there is nothing to hold the spring straight and sometimes it bends around, flicking the ball sideways so it doesn't seal on the seat.

Cut a piece of 5/16" diameter steel rod 40mm long, and put it inside the spring to hold it straight.
This allows 8mm for ball movement which is heaps.

I've done this to lots, works every time. :wink:
Author:  Mick [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:58 pm ]
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Thanks Doc, will do.
Author:  Mick [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:59 pm ]
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Nope, wasn't that. I made the little 40 mm piece of 5/16 from the smooth shank of a loooong bolt and put thaqt in, but no dice. It must be the gauge
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Author:  YoungMiniac [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:05 pm ]
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Prays....
Author:  drmini in aust [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:10 pm ]
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YoungMiniac wrote:
Prays....

Don't worry, it happens a lot. People put the so-called `Cooper S' ball in and bolt `er up. Then this happens... you crap bricks when the pressure drops, but never seen it do damage. :lol:

Mick,
Get another gauge....
Did you take the ball out for a look- maybe it was stuck. It's a pretty loose fit in there though.
Author:  Mick [ Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:20 pm ]
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Thanks Doc,
I pulled the ball out, it didn't want to play the game. I had to get a large rare earth magnet I scored some years back and put it onto a large screwdriver to give it the magnetism to pull the ball out. It stuck to the car, the block, the starter, the solenoid and then I finally got it to the hole to pull out the ball.

Yeah not many oil pressure gauges on EBAY at this very exact second. No-one bid on them please, I'm looking for a bargain :wink:

I trashed the garage looking for spare smiths oil gauges, but all I got is an Smiths Ammeter (Ampmeter if you will), a strange but quite nice graduated Smiths temperature gauge and a standard Smiths temp gauge. I might have to canvas for a spare one somebody might have lying around.

Still with 30 PSI of pressure, that is actually ample enough oil pressure isn't it even if it wasn't the gauge, I'm gonna try and find one of those cheapies to test it out.

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