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Author:  kazjim [ Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Hypothetical Question .... I May own my mini again . . . .
ok, so, I've "sold" the Bri-11k on Ebay . . guy has paid his deposit and was organising to come down from QLD and pick it up ....

Tonight I find out he has some "financial issues" that he genuinely has to deal with - i HAVE to trust his word....

Wants me to return the Deposit, and leave no feedback, or positive feedback ....

Me, I want to sell the car, so I've offered it to the second-chance bidder for a reduced price ($50 less then the winner)

What would you do ?
Keep the depoist and say "tough-titties" ?
return the deposit, part ways amiably ?
return the deposit and burn him with Neg feedback ?
Something else ?

If the other bidder doesnt want to take it, it might just be back on sale again......:evil:

J
Author:  awbeattie381 [ Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:42 pm ]
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for $50 less I would allow the next highest bidder the option of purchasing, refund the other guys money and give him either negative or neutral feedback. Too many people think ebay is a game, and they click on the bid button without even thinking. I reckon people should be hit with neg feedback if they stuff the seller around. I think im much too nice on ebay and much too patient.

I suppose it depends on whether you trust that this guy has genuine reasons for pulling the pin. I see heaps of stuff on ebay readvertised due to a non paying bidder......

was that an answer :? :?:
Author:  1310/71 [ Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:44 pm ]
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Keep the deposit, that's exactly what it is. he has inconvenienced you, and doesn't deserve it back.
If he backs out he loses the deposit. That's how it works with houses, and any other financial contract.

I wouldn't then give negative feedback unless he becomes a ning nong. He can do damage to you on ebay of course, but you may have recourse to have it removed if justified.
KB
Author:  ryan [ Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:49 pm ]
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i would, give him back his deposit, minus the 50 bucks, then give him neg feedback. Deposits and the feedback serve a function, they are there to let others know who stuffs around, and to stop people doing exactly what this guy is trying to do.
Author:  1360 LS [ Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:59 pm ]
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tough titties and sell the item to the next highest bidder... such is the finance world.
Author:  Gadgets mini [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:28 am ]
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1360 LS wrote:
tough titties and sell the item to the next highest bidder... such is the finance world.


ditto

Try the same scenario with a car dealer and you would get the above response from them

the term Buyer beware comes to mind


you didnt force him to bid so he needs to pay a penalty for stuffing you around


at leat you still have the car and didnt let it go after recieving the deposit
Author:  Braveheartspunky [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:52 am ]
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I wouldn't return the deposit, but I probably wouldn't give him bad feedback.

The deposit is compensation for the inconvienience you've had to deal with. He's lost out on a good car for a VERY good price.

Sorry to hear about the sale Jim, but I understand the frustration as I'm going through it myself at the moment. :D
Author:  9YaTaH [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:58 am ]
Post subject:  Bit harsh guys!!
I'd put myself in his shoes and probably give him the benefit of the doubt....

return the deposit less anything it costs you (like bank charges etc) and do it at your convenience.

as for feedback....I would just state what happened....niether negative or positive....if he does it again to someone .....then people can burn him :idea:
Author:  benjamin [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:04 am ]
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second chance to next person, give him the deposit back and just leave the fedback as he hasnt done anthing wrong and may not have known of his finacial issues befr hand
Author:  Braveheartspunky [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:04 am ]
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People really shouldn't bid if they can't get finance or you don't have the money. Financial trouble can happen out of the blue, but you normally do have some indication.
I always thought it was a binding contract, you fail to buy, you lose your deposit.

I don't think feedback is worth much at all to be honest. He's only going to give you bad remarks if you give him negitive comments.
Author:  Razor [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:29 am ]
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Thats what I found bad about ebay, if you leave a negative feedback to the other person they can come back with a negative feedback as well which will be recorded on your feedback comments page. I think you should take a little $$$ for compensation and give him the rest of his deposit.
Author:  Mike_Byron [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:45 am ]
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In any sphere of selling, a deposit is a down payment and a token of goodwill. If the buyer renegs then you are legally entitled to keep the deposit and mostly morally as well.

After all it has cost you the sale and ultimately money is the reason you are selling it.
If you choose to return his deposit entirely then you will be out of pocket because Ebay will still charge you the fees for a successful sale. So as a minimum these must be deducted from any deposit refund.

People do have financial crisises and things do happen, and on occasions I have had to invent reasons to delay payment until payday. The trouble is that all too often., buyers get carried away with the emotion and then cold reality sets in. Sitting under the magnet on the fridge is the electricity bill and a half dozen others. The four thousand in the bank is only fifeteen hundred in reality and the wife wont sit in the darkness with no food for a fortnight.

I am sceptical of his claims - he well may have financial issues but he had them before he bid. I admire you for willing to return his deposit though.

My two cents worth.
Author:  Anto [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:11 am ]
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I don't think it would be such a good idea to take the tough titties approach, even if you are morally right and within the law. People can take offence to losing their money, and it could result in heartache. If you refund his deposit, minus the $50, and all associated fees, then perhaps giving him neutral feedback as a non payer (or negative if he is a ning nong), then neither of you have lost out, you have sold your car (for the same amount), and he has his money back.

This is assuming he has reputable feedback? If he's made a habit of screwing sellers then I'd be less tolerant!
Author:  sports850 [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:19 am ]
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WHat sort of deposit are we talking about , $50 , $250 , $500 ? I'd be inclined to at least take the listing fee's and any other costs out of it to show you are fair but still didn't like being jerked around like they have , even if it's a genuine oversight . Feedback's a bit different though , what's the bidders feedback like , has he done this before ? If so hit him with neg feedback and put a non buying bidder report into ebay , if no negs before maybe a little bit of leeway in the feedback but definitely keep at least part of the deposit to cover your time and costs .
Author:  harvey69 [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:24 am ]
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give him most of the deposit back...... take some for the inconvenience and other charges.....

ans slap a neg or neutral feedback......say he didnt go through with the sale.....
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